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    Posted: 27 June 2017 at 22:17
I am looking to install a canister stored 6 person life raft in the space on the port side of the transom. I have not been able to find a unit that fits the space. Has anyone had any luck doing so? I need something that ISAF/ ISO standrads.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carlosailfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2017 at 06:46
Hello,

after some investigation i came to this:  (57048 ) Plastimo Cruiser ORC Canister 6-Man. From the dimensions it should fit. In 2 weeks i can tell you if it really fits :). placed the order this week.
In addition i decided to have a separate grab bag with these things who are not included in this ORC version. The life raft is designed for coastal and moderate navigation, the floor is insulated and double. Looking to the specs for the trans-ocean, yes this one includes ( apparently only ) more options but it does not fit any longer in the transom. Reason to have a good equipped grab bag.

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Some additional information on the Plastimo life raft.

uploads/4579/090-091_page_recap_gb.pdf

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uploads/4579/096-097_page_recap_gb.pdf

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark&Catherine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2017 at 08:35
We have a six man canister life raft in the 385 space, which I think is the same as the 415. It is made by ocean safety limited.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SausalitoDave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2017 at 10:23
I have a Winslow raft that they will pack in any of a variety of shapes.  Check them out.  Originally just an aircraft raft company, where weight and size matter, they moved to yachts a while back.  I am on my second one and am quite pleased with their service and product (although I am thankful I have never had to use either).

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Tom

On our 415, we have an Ocean Safety Charter ISO 6 person Sea-Safe <24 hour liferaft in the Low Profile Canister (and a grab bag that takes us to the >24 hour standards). The regular Charter ISO 6 person is too deep for the transom locker.

However, we store the liferaft in a vertical cradle (Ocean Safety RAF00775) that is attached to the port side pushpit. The liferaft is held in place using a manual quick release Senhouse slip strap (Ocean Safety RAF0752) and an automatic Hammar Hydrostatic Release Unit (Ocean Safety HAM1000).

The main reason for storing the liferaft in a cradle rather than the transom locker is that we think the bathing platform is a not a viable position from which to launch the liferaft. It would be viable if the sea was flat calm but that is unlikely to be the case in most situations where the liferaft needs to be launched. If you haven’t seen what happens to the lowered platform when there’s a sea running or waves are slapping at the transom, try it the next time you are out. Your weight is unlikely to keep the platform in the horizontal position and there is a serious risk of damaged feet or ankles and the possibility of being knocked overboard as the waves snap the platform closed. And you can’t hold on because you will need both hands to extricate the 44kg liferaft from the locker.

In the situation where the boat is taking on water, the guidance in the sea survival books is to abandon ship only when you can step up into the liferaft - ie the boat is on the point of sinking. At this point, most of the platform will be under water which, I think, will make it almost impossible to push down into the horizontal position (because of its buoyancy) to be able to get to the liferaft.

Organisations that run offshore racing and cruising events have standards for liferaft launch times for good reasons. RORC and the World Cruising Club (the ARC rallies) require that liferafts can be launched within 15 seconds. With the liferaft in the transom locker, this would be difficult to achieve.

Bottom line on this is that if you have a liferaft you need to be certain that it will launch quickly and easily, ideally both manually and automatically.

And a couple of related points.

We had been using the transom locker to store the liferaft when on the hard but since having the liferaft serviced last October, we can no longer do this because the servicing agent in Gran Canaria was unable to repack the liferaft small enough to allow the two halves of the container to be compressed to the original 230mm depth (it is now 240 - 250 mm). This was despite marking a line all of the way around the container showing where the larger half needed to overlap on the smaller half and requesting in writing that the liferaft be returned no larger than it was when handed in.  Currently we use the locker for the platform step and dinghy related gear but are investigating having it converted to a decent sized twin tank propane locker.

My last point, which if too late I apologise, concerns deciding which capacity of liferaft to buy. We bought a six person liferaft because we envisaged having up to six people on board from time to time although for most of the time there would be only two of us. From what I’ve read, two people in a six person liferaft doesn’t work well with the liferaft being prone to inverting because there’s insufficient body weight ballast. Any time we’ve actually had six people on board we’ve done no more than short, coastal cruises where we’ve been with easy reach of the SAR services and the likelihood of needing to deploy the liferaft is reduced. For long offshore passages we’ve twice had additional crew: two when crossing Biscay from Ireland to Spain and one more when crossing from Tenerife to Barbados. So, rather than have the liferaft serviced again (the servicing cost was over 50% of the cost of a new liferaft) we will replace our current liferaft with a new four person model, for us a sensible compromise between a two person and a six person.

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I totally agree with Allan's last post, the transom locker isn't a good place to store the life raft. On a passage from Singapore to Phuket we made the mistake of storing additional jerry cans of diesel there, even in a light swell the buoyancy of the swim platform made accessing the locker dangerous. If the boat is taking on water and semi submerged it would be impossible to open it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote catarch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 September 2017 at 00:38
Allan,

Thank you for the very thorough suggestions.

I am heading to the Newport Show this week and I will look into that raft when I am there.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Touch of Grey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 September 2017 at 02:55
Tom

We arrived in Newport a few hours ago but are heading for Vineyard Haven first thing, back in Newport next Monday, so looks like we’ll miss each other. Expecting to be back next year though.

Enjoy the Newport show. We are doing Annapolis in October.

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Hi All,
We store our 6 person in canister on a dedicated cradle as picture. It is fitted with a manual quick release and an automatic Hanmar release.
 

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