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    Posted: 02 June 2008 at 09:20
I am planning to fit a trysail track to my mast of my 540.  I plan to start the track low so the trysail can be on the track and lashed on deck ready to hoist.
 
The problem appears to be for my rigger is that he feels the twist in the track needed to get the track from the side of the mast below the stowed main to around towards the back of the mast above the stacked main will be hard to achieve on a Hanse mast.  Has anyone experienced this problem and found a solution. 
 
Fitting a Trysail track to my mast apparently will be harder than most due to the Harken V track I have had installed making the track wider when the stacked main is....meaning the trysail track has further to twist around.
 
Does anyone have any suggestions of what sort of track to use and how to bend the track to fit the twist needed.
 
Pictures would be a great assistance.
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PS  There was some discussion of Trysails on myhanse at the following location http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1953

 

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Hi Richard,
I will also install a try sail track! It was highly recommended by North sails and as you know I 100% agree. I have exactly the same configuration with your boat plus additional problem of a carbon mast. Avoiding the gooseneck and split main track shouldn't be a problem since you can bend the track-the slides are short and they will follow the curved track without sticking.
Here is a picture of the Selden solution.


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Right as requested, photos of one trysail track that I installed for the fastnet...almost used it in anger too!!
 
The change I would make and I intend to but haven't got around to it is to add some more to bring the length of the track to the deck for obvious reasons.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John Allison Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2008 at 20:43
FWIW we decided on a 3rd reef instead, ie no track, no extra sail to carry, nothing to bend on when shorthanded and the going gets tough.
 
Whilst having it makes us feel good, even this 3rd reef was maybe OTT as so far we've never found a weather situations where the 3rd reef was actually used.
 
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Thanks Brad for your great photos.  Also thanks John for your comments. 
 
I have 3 reefs in the main and am planning to get a trysail as well.  I must be cautious.
 
Here are some photos of my set up.  The Harken V Track will push the trysail track out around the sharper curve of the mast.  Even after seeing Brads pictures my rigger is saying he does not think this amount of twist that will be required in the track will work.
 
Can a track twist this much in the space available? i.e. the Trysail track can not start to come around to the back side of the mast until above the wide part of the V track.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Hi Richard,
In my opinion there is no possibility to extend the track to deck, mainly because of the huge gooseneck and the ropes to mast foot. This limits the advantage of the separate try sail track. Feeding the cars that are already attached to the sail is almost impossible in a storm, so IMHO the only option is to attach hooks to the try sail and hook them into the cars that are permanently parked in the track.During this operation the sail can be wrapped in a rope so that it doesn't flap around. You have to calculate how high the top one will be, and how a person will reach up there to do the job. I think that I will have the same- or even bigger- problems with my boat. If this is impossible another possibility is to feed 6 to 8 cars in the tack, attach a few sail hooks on the cars and rise the sail 2-3 meters. Then attach another 6/8 cars and so on. The sail will flap around like crazy but the person will be standing in front of it in safety.


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Hi Richard,
 
No worries on the pics.
 
Re the track, personally, cautious is good and with caution and options in your sail wardrobe you have discretion and as we know discretion is the best part of valour!!.
 
We also have a deep 3rd in the main and to be honest the try-sail was fitted for last years Fastnet. It was never used but the 3rd reef was.
 
On the track, get it as low to the deck as possible, you want to he sitting huddled on that deck when attaching it.
 
But the issue is in the single in reefing. For it to work you'd have to get those out of play now assuming the first and second are, ie you are running with the 3rd, then you;d have to pull some slack through to allow them to sit below the lowest part of the track. So have a good think about it as this will add complication but it is not beyond us. Then practice putting it in and out a few times.
 
Finally you need to get the try-sail high and the boom low, so plenty more to consider there.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John Allison Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2008 at 22:15
Hi All,
I'm not arguing against caution, but has anyone on this site ever had to resort to a trysail in bad conditions?
On one past yacht were I had to retire once from a race, and dismantle the gooseneck to use a fitting to fix a rudder issue, we reverted to our trysail and regular headsail to get home.
But in maybe 25 years - goodness knows how many miles covered - and most of them racing in all kinds of conditions - not once needed the trysail in storm force conditions.  In all we've covered a 3rd reef has worked fine.
In another thread people are discussing where to store a gennaker - so where does one find the added space for a rarely (if ever) used stiff trysail? 
All MHO of course.
Cheers
 
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Hi,
In Greece in some races the boats must parade in storm sails before the start. I have hoisted them several times-never in stormy conditions. We hoisted the main and the try sail without cars-just in the mast groove- so the main was lowered and removed before hoisting the try sail.
As for storage, they are flat and small and fit under the bed mattress very easy, one must just put them nice and flat.
IMHO if you carry Dacron sails you can have a deep 3rd reef and do without a try sail. But in case you have expensive sails, using them heavily reefed is not the best of solutions.


Edited by panos - 11 June 2008 at 22:31
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