myHanse - Hanse Yachts Owners Forum: Leaking windos !

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Henrik84
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 09:48

Hi Raptor.

They made an emergency sealing of the windows. They will come tomorrow and to remove windows and do everything right from the start.

Will take some photos to share.

/Henrik

Edited by Henrik84 - 01 June 2010 at 09:49

Best regards
Henrik R.
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AnnSea
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 23:32

Hi Henrik,

my windows also leaked and were repaired by a shipwright who followed Hanse instructions. Unfortunately, the amount of Sika to use was not mentioned and he ended up using too little - this has resulted in the Sika shearing due to heat expansion, and now my windows are leaking again.

However, my dealer has organised new windows (in case the old ones break when being removed) and is paying for the shipwright to do all the work again. I don't know whether my dealer gets reimbursed by the factory or not but I am still exceedingly impressed with this sort of service - especially as the boat is now 2 1/2 years old and is located 1600km from the nearest agent.

Tim

AnnSea 370e #418

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Henrik84
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 23:43

The only sika you should use is Sikaflex 295 UV when you are sealing windows on boats.

For best results you also should use "butyltape" (don´t know the name in english). It is a sort of tape who is some mm thick and are sticky. It never dries, and then use sikaflex around the tape.

people who change car windows use it and I hade it on my previous boat and it worked for over 10 years.

I will check how they do it tomorrow when they change my windows.

/Henrik

Best regards
Henrik R.
S/Y LaRey - Hanse 320 #430

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MisterM
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Posted: 07 June 2010 at 10:48

Having picked up my 320 from the Dutch dealer in Workum last week, I had the same problem. Apparently I have been delivered an older (Smartline)version, with Sparcraft mast and Facnor furling installation, and, indeed, the leaking windows. Was repaired with huge amounts of Sikaflex, which is not a pretty sight. They are waterproof now, luckily. But windows being replaced by other dealers in other countries means that this should be standard procedure in Holland as well?

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coriolis2
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Posted: 07 June 2010 at 15:37

Henrik, they started with the change out of our windows today, discussed the details with him this afternoon. Instead the SIKA 295UV, 222UV will be used, which is exactly the same only without the expensive letters 'Maritime' on the canisters, furthermore the UV shielding tape will be used on the outside. Will make some pictures during the process.

Regards, Rob

"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)

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Henrik84
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Posted: 07 June 2010 at 17:24

On my boat the used another brand i never heard of before.

He told me thar Najad, Hallberg Rassy and other expensive yachts only use that brand because it the best on the market in UV and water resistance.

/henrik

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Henrik R.
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Raptor
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Posted: 14 June 2010 at 15:43

Finally after waiting for a looooong time I have received two brand new Lewmar windows

The old ones have been removed and the new ones installed today. Crossing my fingers that the new ones will keep the water out.

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Windsurfer
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 01:16

After 2 months of hopeless attempts to make any of the Hanse dealers in Russia actually adress to the problem of my leaking windows and hatches, I have decided to reglue it all myself - I cannot wait any longer as the season will end up...rather embarassing to realise that I'm on my own with this messy work...

I have spent the whole day resealing the starboard front window and then some hours fixing the saloon hatch (these were leaking the worst)...
Now I'm quite certain that the main reason for all the leakages are really poor quality of manufacturing at Hanse and really poor materials....when after many hours of strugling to detach the window I saw what's underneith I was laughing and crying at the same moment - the sika was simply missing in couple of spots...some spots really thick, some really tiny...these windows were attached by a drunk ***hole to say the least...I would instantly fire that employee if i saw how it's done...
The same thing applies to the hatch - I unscrewed all the screws and then prepared myself for hard work cutting off the sika - to my amusement I could simply lift the hatch and realised that a really small amount of sika was there - is sika so ^&$%ing expensive for the Hanse so as not to apply enough to make the hatch watertight???!!!! Angry

Sorry for my emotions, but to be honest I've never seen such a "new" boat ever before!!!

PS...there's 3 more windows to go...3 more wasted weekend days... Unhappy

Hanse 320 #079

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Raptor
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 07:51

After having spent 8 months waiting for the side windows to be changed and refitted, i discovered that the skylight in the saloon is leaking as well. Never ending story with my new boat and the hazzle of reminding hanse about my soaking wet boat. in the case of the side windows, hanse used too little sika and in the fitting process bent the lewmar hatches in trying to secure them to a curved surface. what do you get - leaking windows! suspect that the skylight hatch is suffering from the same issue - no or too little sika sealing the hatch. they for sure knows how to ruin a good product.

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shaukaas
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Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:25

Both my skylights, and all four windows are to be replaced soon according to my last correspondence with Fjord Boats in Norway.

As it has not happened yet; I'm struggling to believe that the boat will ever become what I ordered back in '08.

S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171
LG3600 - NOR13510

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Henrik84 Commadore Joined: 27 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 385	Posted: 01 June 2010 at 09:48
	Hi Raptor. They made an emergency sealing of the windows. They will come tomorrow and to remove windows and do everything right from the start. Will take some photos to share. /Henrik Edited by Henrik84 - 01 June 2010 at 09:49
	Best regards Henrik R. S/Y LaRey - Hanse 320 #430
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AnnSea Lieutenant Commander Joined: 03 March 2008 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 52	Posted: 01 June 2010 at 23:32
	Hi Henrik, my windows also leaked and were repaired by a shipwright who followed Hanse instructions. Unfortunately, the amount of Sika to use was not mentioned and he ended up using too little - this has resulted in the Sika shearing due to heat expansion, and now my windows are leaking again. However, my dealer has organised new windows (in case the old ones break when being removed) and is paying for the shipwright to do all the work again. I don't know whether my dealer gets reimbursed by the factory or not but I am still exceedingly impressed with this sort of service - especially as the boat is now 2 1/2 years old and is located 1600km from the nearest agent.
	Tim AnnSea 370e #418
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Henrik84 Commadore Joined: 27 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 385	Posted: 01 June 2010 at 23:43
	The only sika you should use is Sikaflex 295 UV when you are sealing windows on boats. For best results you also should use "butyltape" (don´t know the name in english). It is a sort of tape who is some mm thick and are sticky. It never dries, and then use sikaflex around the tape. people who change car windows use it and I hade it on my previous boat and it worked for over 10 years. I will check how they do it tomorrow when they change my windows. /Henrik
	Best regards Henrik R. S/Y LaRey - Hanse 320 #430
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MisterM Sub Lieutenant Joined: 02 May 2010 Location: Netherlands Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Posted: 07 June 2010 at 10:48
	Having picked up my 320 from the Dutch dealer in Workum last week, I had the same problem. Apparently I have been delivered an older (Smartline)version, with Sparcraft mast and Facnor furling installation, and, indeed, the leaking windows. Was repaired with huge amounts of Sikaflex, which is not a pretty sight. They are waterproof now, luckily. But windows being replaced by other dealers in other countries means that this should be standard procedure in Holland as well?
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coriolis2 Commander Joined: 06 January 2008 Location: Netherlands Online Status: Offline Posts: 134	Posted: 07 June 2010 at 15:37
	Henrik, they started with the change out of our windows today, discussed the details with him this afternoon. Instead the SIKA 295UV, 222UV will be used, which is exactly the same only without the expensive letters 'Maritime' on the canisters, furthermore the UV shielding tape will be used on the outside. Will make some pictures during the process. Regards, Rob
	"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)
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Henrik84 Commadore Joined: 27 December 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 385	Posted: 07 June 2010 at 17:24
	On my boat the used another brand i never heard of before. He told me thar Najad, Hallberg Rassy and other expensive yachts only use that brand because it the best on the market in UV and water resistance. /henrik
	Best regards Henrik R. S/Y LaRey - Hanse 320 #430
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Raptor Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 August 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 66	Posted: 14 June 2010 at 15:43
	Finally after waiting for a looooong time I have received two brand new Lewmar windows The old ones have been removed and the new ones installed today. Crossing my fingers that the new ones will keep the water out.
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Windsurfer Captain Joined: 07 April 2010 Location: Russian Federation Online Status: Offline Posts: 190	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 01:16
	After 2 months of hopeless attempts to make any of the Hanse dealers in Russia actually adress to the problem of my leaking windows and hatches, I have decided to reglue it all myself - I cannot wait any longer as the season will end up...rather embarassing to realise that I'm on my own with this messy work... I have spent the whole day resealing the starboard front window and then some hours fixing the saloon hatch (these were leaking the worst)... Now I'm quite certain that the main reason for all the leakages are really poor quality of manufacturing at Hanse and really poor materials....when after many hours of strugling to detach the window I saw what's underneith I was laughing and crying at the same moment - the sika was simply missing in couple of spots...some spots really thick, some really tiny...these windows were attached by a drunk ***hole to say the least...I would instantly fire that employee if i saw how it's done... The same thing applies to the hatch - I unscrewed all the screws and then prepared myself for hard work cutting off the sika - to my amusement I could simply lift the hatch and realised that a really small amount of sika was there - is sika so ^&$%ing expensive for the Hanse so as not to apply enough to make the hatch watertight???!!!! Sorry for my emotions, but to be honest I've never seen such a "new" boat ever before!!! PS...there's 3 more windows to go...3 more wasted weekend days...
	Hanse 320 #079
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Raptor Lieutenant Commander Joined: 28 August 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 66	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 07:51
	After having spent 8 months waiting for the side windows to be changed and refitted, i discovered that the skylight in the saloon is leaking as well. Never ending story with my new boat and the hazzle of reminding hanse about my soaking wet boat. in the case of the side windows, hanse used too little sika and in the fitting process bent the lewmar hatches in trying to secure them to a curved surface. what do you get - leaking windows! suspect that the skylight hatch is suffering from the same issue - no or too little sika sealing the hatch. they for sure knows how to ruin a good product.
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shaukaas Captain Joined: 04 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 168	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:25
	Both my skylights, and all four windows are to be replaced soon according to my last correspondence with Fjord Boats in Norway. As it has not happened yet; I'm struggling to believe that the boat will ever become what I ordered back in '08.
	S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171 LG3600 - NOR13510
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