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   We are intrested in buying a new Hanse 470e. Therefore, we are intrested in your experiences with this boat. Especially, we are interested if the troubles with the boom and some leackages are solved. Are there any ohter troubles with this boat?

Best regards,

Jürgen

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whitepearl Sub Lieutenant Joined: 25 July 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Topic: New Hanse 470 Posted: 25 July 2010 at 08:51
	We are intrested in buying a new Hanse 470e. Therefore, we are intrested in your experiences with this boat. Especially, we are interested if the troubles with the boom and some leackages are solved. Are there any ohter troubles with this boat? Best regards, Jürgen
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tobo Captain Joined: 01 February 2006 Location: Switzerland Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Posted: 27 July 2010 at 17:53
	I suppose you're German. If you want to know all about the H470e please have a look on our website www.sarabella.ch .
	Thomi
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keith goodall Lieutenant Commander Joined: 25 October 2005 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 66	Posted: 28 July 2010 at 11:30
	Whitepearl it is simple - if you don;t look after the boom (as in when gybing) it will ultimately break as in any yacht where the mainsheet fixing point is midway along the boom. If you are an experienced sailor hopefully no problem. Best of luck Edited by keith goodall - 28 July 2010 at 18:44
	Keith Goodall Savarna 531#36 www.yotblog.com/savarna
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graemefromdownu Lieutenant Joined: 01 July 2009 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 38	Posted: 28 July 2010 at 22:17
	Hi whitepearl, I disagree with the last comment re the boom. I have a 461 and we are not an experienced or indeed expert crew. Thus the occasional accidental gybe does occur. If you read John Allinson's last post you will see that the boom on the 461's was substantially reinforced in the mid section. This reinforcement does not appear to have been incorporated in the 470 that followed. If you look at the numbers Hanse was selling the 470 at a cheaper bare-boat price than the earlier 461. How? Could cutting corners and reducing build features have been the answer. I do know my 461 feels more solid and with more features than the later models. Hopefully with a change of mast and boom supplier the recurrent problem will disappear. It would seem to me from following the site over the last year that the most important decision you can make is in choosing your supplier and or looking for those suppliers who are recommended by other owners. Good luck, I think the 461 / 470 is an excellent size for long term cruising and comfort and a real feeling of safety.
	461: Spindizzy, based in Almerimar, Spain
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s/y spindrift Sub Lieutenant Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 01:11
	If you continue to accidently gybe you will break any yacht or gear. Cure is the best medicine, invest in a preventer, the cost is minimal ,some sheets and blocks, and the potential saving considerable. Most riggers will set it up for you without any fuss. Good luck.
	JB
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alettaenmarcel Rear Admiral Joined: 15 August 2006 Location: Netherlands Online Status: Offline Posts: 531	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 06:25
	Unexpecterd gype 's you all mean I think? Every boat must be able to gype , have you ever seen a volvo 70 gype , there they do it like you call it unexpected and those won't break or bent at all. Wenn a boom one one off our boats will bent or break those are just to weak. The biggests problem is the sheet on the middle off the boom , there is the force to big to have a unexpected gipe so I think the best you can install is a gipe preventer or a gipe slowing device. There are more possibilities on the marked these days than you can imagine. greetings marcel
	Kids Dingys 72-79 ,Several Windsurfboards 79-86 OK dingy competitions 86-92 , Trotter Pandora Race 92-98, Friendship 28 Sport 98-05, Hanse 370 06-......
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cwetto Sub Lieutenant Joined: 15 June 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:04
	*Originally posted by keith goodall* Whitepearl it is simple - if you don;t look after the boom (as in when gybing) it will ultimately break as in any yacht where the mainsheet fixing point is midway along the boom. If you are an experienced sailor hopefully no problem. Best of luck I have a performance cruiser (not Hanse) with end of the boom sheet and looooong traveller. With all pros & contras (no bimini, walking problems, etc). Very satisfied with controlled gybing, powerfull triming of main. I am also considering H470 or H540, but I am very lucrative about Hanse constructions. One is main sheet and traveler. Can't agree with you.. One thing is uncontrolled gybing which is also stressfull for whole rig, but boom bending in deformations with upwind sailing is unacceptable! Still waiting for (possible) new Hanse solution regarding main sheet! reg c
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tobo Captain Joined: 01 February 2006 Location: Switzerland Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 16:28
	When we are reaching we use to fix a rope from the mainsheet to the genua rail block and fix it back to spring cleat. It's not perfect the mainsail can come inside but not more than to the middle. This gives you enough time to correct your stearing mistake. BUT: We don't gybe anymore with more than 15kn of wind and do a q-tack. As the Hanse turns around so easily you don't even have to touch the sheets. Just go around 270 degrees and that's it. How about that?
	Thomi
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Alain & Anne Commadore Joined: 13 December 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 376	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 16:49
	Hi Guys, Experience with Uhambo, main sail 63m². The first year I bent the boom when an uncontrolled gybe occurred. I had no 3rd reef, no boom brake and no gybe preventer! I made a mistake. Since I have a 3rd reef, a boom brake and a gybe preventer and now I am having the main down when running with more than 35knt. Since we have logged more than 12000nm without any more trouble and the same Boom N°2! But I am very careful as big main means big trouble when gybing shorthanded! Alain
	UHAMBO 430e#004 Our blog:uhambosaniez-uhambo.blogspot.com/
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pearl Commander Joined: 25 April 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 29 July 2010 at 22:13
	Hi Jürgen, We are on our 3'rd season with the 470e and it's the best boat we ever had. I normally change boat every 3'rd year but i cant find a better choice in this price range. Yes we had minor warranty issues with this boat, but it was the same with new boats from other builders before that. The difference is that Hanse dares to run a forum like this where owners can share and therefore you read about all the issues. The problems we have experienced have mainly been electronics - SIMRAD that had to be replaced but is now working fine. On our prior boat we had problems with RAYMARINE, so i suppose it's not unique for SIMRAD. As or the boom problems - i have seen the same on Beneteau's with the same sheeting system. In my opinion when you choose a yacht with this type of main sheet system you must be prepared to take care of your boom when jibing I like the system for cruising - it makes the cockpit safer. But i would not choose this system for a racing boat. Our boom from 2008 seems to be reinforced in the middle - we had no problems. As written before on the forum - you can break any boom if you really try. What leaks are you referring to?
	PEARL - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168
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