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Windsurfer
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Joined: 07 April 2010 Location: Russian Federation Online Status: Offline Posts: 190 |
![]() Topic: Rope lengths and diameters...Posted: 25 July 2010 at 23:15 |
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I have found lots of rope data on other than 320 Hanses on this site...unfortunately I did not succeed to find any information for the 320....
I need to urgently order some sheets and halyards (including the gennaker)...some are severly damaged by the previous owner, some don't exist...as the mast is currently off the boat it will be impossible to accurately measure the lengths... I have also heard that the reefing system works smoother on smaller than 10mm of diameter ropes (doesn't get stuck)...what diameters are best for the 320?? Any help is greatly appreciated... |
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nickfabbri
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Joined: 21 April 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 120 |
![]() Posted: 26 July 2010 at 13:02 |
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I changed all my lines and sheets to dyneema and the difference is huge especially with the jib sheet.
As for diameter. I think that the boat is supplied with 6,8 and 10 mm lines. I found that the smaller diameter lines don't work too well with the winches, so would suggest only using 8 and 10 mm. As for the reefing lines, again I would suggest an 8 mm system. Those lines are under huge loads and I'm not sure that a 6mm line would work too well. We had an 8mm line shear in two once as it was cut by one of the reefing blocks shattering under load.After 3 seasons my reefing lines are looking fairly worn and it's one of the jobs to do during winter . |
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Windsurfer
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![]() Posted: 26 July 2010 at 13:54 |
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Thanks Nick...do you have any idea about the lengths???
I'm not sure weather it's a good idea to have 6 mm reefing lines - even the best Dyneema or Vectran lines wouldn't last in heavy winds... |
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shaukaas
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Joined: 04 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
![]() Posted: 27 July 2010 at 13:51 |
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Yachtdatabase.com
Be aware that some of these lengths may be incorrect; I've experienced that the kick, clew outhaul and cunning were to short. I unfortunately do not recall the correct lengths for these. |
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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171
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Windsurfer
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Joined: 07 April 2010 Location: Russian Federation Online Status: Offline Posts: 190 |
![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 02:15 |
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Thanks for the link Shaukaas...I don't need to change the kick, clew or cunning but unfortunately desperately need both reefs (and there's no data)
Do you also have a 12 mm sheets everywhere??? |
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shaukaas
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 14:59 |
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Nope, I mainly use 10 and 12mm Dyneema.
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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171
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Windsurfer
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![]() Posted: 28 July 2010 at 20:48 |
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Stian, could you please specify what diameter for what application...
Some people on this forum recomended to use 8mm reefing lines for example...I'm a bit confused but desperately need to order the ropes anyway - some of them are simply missing on my boat...Do you use standard Lewmar blocks??? It appears to me that 12mm will not pass freely in any of my blocks as it says "max rope -10mm" on each... I appreciate your help... |
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nickfabbri
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 07:48 |
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I would not use 12 mm lines for reefing. 10 mm is more than enough. I think that if your budget is tight , then you don't really need dyneema.
If you have experience in reefing a Hanse then this next bit will be a little boring for you .for this my apologies :) We found that reefing can be quite a challenge. The outhaul, backstay tension, and vang tension need to be off. The boat needs to be head to wind and you need to experiement with the main halyard vs reefing line tensions. If there is even a little resistance on the reefing lines the block on the sail will jam against the boom and continued reefing pulls the side off the block caused casastrophic failure. The same applies to the mast base blocks which should have springs underneath them to keep them permanently upright. This again minimises the change of the block jamming with the line sideways against the wall of the block and shattering it. All this learnt from bitter experience. But in answer to your initial question; once set the reefing lines will not need further adjustment like a jib sheet and so stretch is not really an issue. Also, when set a 10 mm line secured around the boom will be more than enough to keep a reefer sail in place. Hope this helps |
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doffen443
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Joined: 02 February 2008 Location: Norway Online Status: Offline Posts: 19 |
![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 08:29 |
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Based upon working load and experience I would use: - Hanse 320 / main 28,5 sq m / head appr. Max genoa 30 sq m
Headsail halyard 8mm spectra – Harken 57 ESP - (mast lenght x 2,5) Mainsail halyard 8mm spectra - Harken 57 ESP - (mast lenght x 2,5) Gennaker halyard 8mm polyester - Harken 57 ESP - (mast lenght x 2,5) Reefing lines 8mm spectra - Harken 57 ESP Jib sheet 10mm polyester Main sheet 10 mm polyester Gennaker sheet 10 mm polyester – 2 x Harken 57 ESP Outhoul 8mm spectra - Harken 57 ESP Vang 8mm spectra Backstay 8mm spectra And change some of the blocks – Harken ESP 57 (working load appr 1200 kg) - and don’t overkill the size Happy sailing [IMG]smileys/smiley18.gif" align="middle" /> Edited by doffen443 - 30 July 2010 at 16:52 |
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shaukaas
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![]() Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:19 |
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For the reef lines I still use the yard-delivered 8mm polyester; they are not being used at all - so far I have only reefed my main once...
For the halyards I use 10mm (Dyneema), and 12mm(Polyester) for the Gennaker. I have not considered to replace all ropes to Dyneema, as some of this not necessarily gives an improved perfomance - such as the halyard for the Gennaker. |
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