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Quote attilioguazzoni Replybullet Topic: vang problem
    Posted: 27 August 2010 at 11:21
Hello
I'm possessor af 470e from 2008, bought new
This summer I had a big problem with vang: the steel gear attached vang to mast was foiled like a book and the vang was broken, in storm 7 from NW in Sardinia.
I saw the exactly same problem to another Hanse 470e, Pandora, English flag,during a race in Caribbean.
How is possible to break a 8 mm steel attach ?.
I think we maust to fix very hard the vang.....
Anyother has had the same problem?
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Quote landlocked Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2010 at 16:34
This is really troubling.  My vang hasn't broken (H400) but I did notice one problem this summer:  there was no bearing washer between the bottom surface of the end fitting of the vang and the top surface of the fitting attached to the mast.   As a result the vang was wearing a "notch" in the mast fitting which would tend to make it hard for the vang to rotate on that fitting, and someday perhaps it would have "stuck" and broken.

I've added a washer to fix this, and probably most people already have a washer there but I thought I'd mention this in case, because I can see how this could have eventually caused a failure....



You might also notice in the photo that I have a shackle on the bottom of the pin that goes through the vang and mast fitting.  This isn't of much use on the bottom of the pin but I can't put it at the top because there isn't enough clearance between the bottom of the mast fitting and the deck to insert the pin from that direction.   This seems to be different from other installations I've seen on the forum.
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Quote Johan Hackman Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2010 at 19:06
I had to check my own fitting by searching my pictures and it made me think that your pin is fitted upside down. I can't see any use for the shackle if it is under the fitting. I use mine for the cunningham. It is difficult to see in your picture but would you be able to turn the pin around next time you take the mast down?

Johan

The picture below is part of a picture of my vang.

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Quote landlocked Replybullet Posted: 30 August 2010 at 07:19
Thanks for the photo Johan.  I do think my pin is upside down but as you point out I would need to lift the mast to invert it and then I won't be able to take it out again without lifting the mast again.   Maybe I should have a pin with holes at both ends instead of a "cap" on one end-then I could remove it and still put a shackle on top.
 
Anyway, sorry to take this post a little off-topic.  I can see you have a bearing washer on both the top and the bottom of your vang fitting, which is probably important to keep it from wearing and eventually sticking.   So far that's the only thing I can think of that would cause a break.
 
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Quote attilioguazzoni Replybullet Posted: 31 August 2010 at 09:19
So, I see that different boats have different fitting. In one there is inverted pin, in Johan boat is like mine.
I saw in TV (Yacht and sail Program on SKY) the same problem to another Hanse 470e named Pandora, English flag, in Caribbean Sea during a amateur race.
I think that the hole where the pin goes inis too large and so it works non in axe. I'll have a new gear in stainless steel with reduced hole and I'll try it.
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Quote hobietiger Replybullet Posted: 01 September 2010 at 16:57
I own a 470 from 2009. The fixing of the vang with the mast is ok so far. Anyway I have noticed that the fixing is a little bit loose and in light wings the vang moves. I have nevertheless a problem with the fixing of the vang with the boom. Just a week ago I noticed a crack on the steel piece that goes into the rail in the boom. I have comunicated to the Hanse dealer and I am waiting for their response. I have nonetheless not sailed yet in maximum force 6 winds and for a short period of time.
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Quote John Allison Replybullet Posted: 01 September 2010 at 20:00
Hi All,
We had the tang which connected the vang to the boom fracture twice. First time 2006 in Turkey and one could see the dry weld - so that was simply bad workmanship. We had it rewelded.
Four years later it failed again mid ARC. We were pushing things hard and jury rigged a temp vang to get to the finish line, and had a new one made in St Lucia.

Then third issue was 3 months on during Antigua Race week we experienced the alloy pulley assembly at the base of the vang opening out. We replaced the complete solid boom vang for a conventional set of heavy duty stainless blocks.
Refitted new alloy boom end a year later in the UK and retained the stainless blocvks as spares.
I'm guessing as we tended to vang up quite tight to maintain a flat sail when running / power reaching, that this pressure led to these last two vang issues for us.
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Quote tobo Replybullet Posted: Yesterday at 09:51
On our boat (4 y.) the holding plate at the boom broke (s. pic, Sparcraft rig). On a today Selden rig the situation is different, but it is the weak point. We don't race and we tend to reef the main rather too early than too late going up-wind (1st reef at 15-18 kts, 2nd at 18-25 kts) with no significant loss of speed . On a reaching course the vang is on full load and tighened very hard to avoid the main of twisting and touching the spreaders. We rarely go downwind. It is important that you check the vang reguarly and that the boomvang line (10mm) has a certain streching capability to compensate the hits on the boom ( no Dyneema-type rope).
 
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Quote hobietiger Replybullet Posted: Today at 04:54
Hi Tobo
 
That is exactly the same problem I have. How did you avoid it hapenning again. It hapened to be with theoriginal vang line that certainly has that streching capability.
 
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Quote Rubato Replybullet Posted: Today at 16:49
I too had some weld fracturing on the same part on my 400... Wouldn't it be fantastic if someone at Hanse could/would actually compile this type of info and make some changes accordingly. Imagine the impact to quality and customer experience.
 
Another thing to check regularly: check the bolt that holds the boom to the mast! Twice now this has come loose on my 400 and the bolt was working it's way skyward. The first time this was noticed (by one of the team in the middle of a race) the nut was about to fall off the bottom.
 
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