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Johan Hackman
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Topic: An alternative to the IS20 WindPosted: 11 April 2011 at 19:29 |
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Seeing that all Hanses nowadays come with Simrad IS20 instruments this topic might be interesting to other Hanse owners. I hope no one will be offended by the length of this post.
I am very happy with my IS20 instruments - except for the IS20 Wind where the needle frequently jumps out of position and points in the wrong direction. I have had the instrument replaced no less than four times and I have tried a number of software updates, but to no avail. I also know that there are other users that have experienced the same thing and I have therefore been looking at a replacement from another manufacturer. I am now happy to announce the successful result of my search - the Furuno FI-501 Wind instrument. It is NMEA2000 compatible, it fits in the existing hole and it also fits in esthetically with the IS20 Graphic is sitting above it. While compatibility is part of the NMEA2000 protocol and the idea is that it should be "plug-and-play" there is one thing that stops an easy swap of one brand of wind instrument with another - calibration. My view is that calibration was "forgotten" when the MNEA2000 protocol was designed, and to find out what wind instruments on the market that would work with my SimNet setup has been extremely difficult. Very few people in the industry have seemed to know what I am talking about when I have asked about it. There are two things that need to be calibrated in order for the wind instrument to display the correct information. One is wind vane offset which needs to be set if the wind sensor is not exactly in line with the boat's centerline. The other is the boat speed, which is the same as "boat wind" (in the opposite direction) and which has to be subtracted from the apparent wind to get all sorts of "calculated wind" - True Wind Speed, True Wind Angle, True Wind Direction, Velocity Made Good To Wind etc. The paddle wheel will most often not give the exact boat speed due to growth, its position on the hull and the hull shape. The speed value is corrected by multiplying it with a calibration factor. The question is where the calibration is done and where it is stored. Simrad uses the IS20 Graphic (or Combi, which I don't have) instrument to calibrate the boat speed. It cannot be done with the Wind instrument. The wind vane offset, however, can be set in both the Graphic and the Wind instrument. The boat speed calibration factor is stored in the Simrad instruments while the wind vane offset is stored in the wind sensor itself. Only the corrected value (in this case the apparent wind angle) is broadcast on the network. If you connect an instrument from another manufacturer it will not read the boat speed calibration factor but it will read the corrected apparent wind angle. For comparison, the depth offset which will compensate for the location of the depth sensor, is also stored in the sensor but the depth is not broadcast as a corrected value, it is broadcast as two values, depth and sensor off-set. If you add the two values you will get either the depth from the water surface or the keel, depending on your preferences. I have asked a question about the choice of wind instrument in the forum of the excellent marine electronics site www.panbo.com. I have learnt a lot of things about NMEA2000 and I recommend anyone who is intrested in the subject to take a look at the thread, that can be found here. Now, unlike the Simrad IS20 Wind, Furuno's FI-501 does have the capability to set the boat speed calibration factor. If the calibration is already done in a Simrad instrument you only have copy the value. The factor is stored in the Furuno instrument and would be read by other Furuno instruments if there were any other in the network. This is called "synchronization" and is exactly the same that Simrad does within their instruments. The FI-501 will read the corrected wind angle from the Simrad wind sensor but it is also capable of setting the offset within the instrument. If so, the offset will not be stored in the wind vane so it will not be read by any Simrad instrument. For example, if I set the offset to five degrees to starboard on a Simrad instrument, all instruments including the FI-501 will show wind angles corrected five degrees to starboard. If I then set the offset five degrees to starboard in the FI-501, the Simrad instruments will still display five degrees to starboard while the FI-501 will show ten. In order to visualize what I mean I made a little experiment. Firstly, my speed sensor is a Maretron DST100 triducer and the calibration factor is set to 1,03. This low factor obviously means that calibrating the boat speed is not of such big importance for for me, but at other times the factor has been 1,44 when it would matter. I wanted the FI-501 to use a boat speed double the boat speed used by IS20 so I set the calibration factor in the FI-501 to 2,06. I began motoring head into the wind (which you can see on the wind instrument needle). The wind in my hair then consisted of the wind blowing across the water surface and the wind created by the boat. This is called the apparent, or relative, wind and as you can see on the IS20 Graphic the wind speed was 10,1 knots. If you subtract the boat speed, 4,1 knots, from that you will get that the true wind was 6,0 knots. As you can see, this calculation was correctly done by the IS20 Graphic. The FI-501 however, used the double boat speed, 8,2 knots, and came to the conclusion that the wind across the water surface was 2,0 knots. 10,1 minus 8,2 is 1,9 so this is fairly close. Then I turned the boat to motor away from the wind. This time I had to add the boat wind to the apparent wind to get true wind. 4,1 knots of boat wind plus 3,7 knots of apparent wind means a true wind of 7,8 knots. The IS20 Graphic said 7,6 knots. The FI-501 “thought” the boat wind was 8,2 knots, and with an apparent wind of 3,7 knots it should have displayed a true wind of 11,9. It displayed 11,6 knots which is close enough to prove that it used the “fake” calibration factor. I hope this information is of any use to anyone. Even if not, I have certainly found use for it myself although it has cost me some sweat to gather it. Johan Edited by Johan Hackman - 26 April 2011 at 12:31 |
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Johan Hackman
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Posted: 11 April 2011 at 19:40 |
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Let me add a few words on the installation of the FI-501.
The NMEA2000 standard states what kind of plugs should be used. This is something Furuno have obeyed so on the backside there are two NMEA2000 Micro C plugs. In order to connect the instrument to SimNet, that has its own connectors, I had to make an adapter cable. I cut a short SimNet cable in two and screwed Micro C "field attachable" connectors onto the bare ends. Another thing with NMEA2000 is that it does not allow "daisy-chaining" whereby the network cable, or the "backbone" goes through an instrument. This is to prevent the entire network from going down in case the instrument fails. Instead "drop cables" should be used. Neither Simrad nor Furuno has listened to this so you have a choice to either connect an instrument with a drop cable or connect it by daisy-chaining. As you can see in the picture below, I choose to connect the FI-501 by daisy-chaining it. Johan Edited by Johan Hackman - 11 April 2011 at 19:44 |
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CharlesP
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Posted: 11 April 2011 at 22:51 |
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Thank you for such an interesting post, Johan. I look forward to hearing how you get on with the Furuno.
You mentioned about the paddle wheel proving speed info for the various wind calculations. I assume the accuracy of the paddle will be different a few weeks after calibrating, so would you advocate regularly calibrating against the gps? Why can't speed be obtained from the gps for use by the wind instrument? Charles |
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 04:41 |
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Very thorough Johan, good job! Some interesting links that I'll bookmark for future reference. Thank you!
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 08:21 |
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Thank you Johan, very interesting.
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Johan Hackman
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 08:37 |
Yes, I advocate regular calibrations of the boat speed. I do it several times during the season. Comparing with the GPS is an easy way to do it but you need to know that the water is still at the moment. I have stuck my nose into the SOG-to-calculate-true-wind-discussion many times now. I recently wrote a few clever things (in my opinion) about it here. In short, Boat Speed and Speed Over Ground are vectors which means that they have a size and a direction. The direction of the Boat Speed is always in the direction of the bow, while the direction of the SOG varies with current and leeway. The figure on your display may say that you are making six knots but that could mean six knots sideways or backwards. Only at times it will mean that it is in the same direction as the bow, when it will coincide with Boat Speed from the paddle wheel. In the thread I mentioned I elaborated my view that the True Wind that is interesting to you is the wind over water and not the wind over ground. It is the wind across the water surface that you use for sailing. You want to subtract the boat wind that is created when the boat moves through the water to get True Wind, and not the wind that is, more theoretically, created when it moves over ground. Dr. Joseph O. W. Hackman |
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 10:18 |
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One more word about my little experiment.
The Simrad Graphic in my pictures above shows clearly what happens if you change course in a fairly steady wind and the boat speed is calibrated - the true wind speed remains the same. The difference between 6 and 7,6 knots is due to a small variation in the wind at the time. The Furuno Wind instrument is not calibrated for boat speed (in this case an exaggerated non-correct calibration) and the result is that there is a drastic change in True Wind Speed when I turn the boat - from 2 to 11,6 knots. That change does not reflect the variation in the wind at the time of the experiment. I think this points out the importance of calibration of the boat speed. It is not just to show how fast the boat goes. It is also to make the wind information being correct. Johan |
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Posted: 15 April 2011 at 13:00 |
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Thanks again Johan for your words of wisdom.
Until now I never understood why speed through the water should be used to calculate the true wind speed / direction, as to calculate this accurately you would need to use speed over the ground.
After your explanation it seems obvious. As sailors we are not really interested in the true wind speed over the ground - only its speed over the water.
Alan Edited by Muscadet - 15 April 2011 at 13:01 |
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Posted: 15 April 2011 at 13:40 |
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I agree, it seems obvious, but I still struggle with the concept.
I think of a boat travelling against a fast 6 knot stream into the wind under maximum revs of the engine. Speed over ground zero; speed through the water 6kn; if the wind was 6kn, the true wind after allowing for correction from the paddle wheel would show as zero, (or would it?) which does not seem correct. But it seems to me that if sog was used in this case, wind would read more correctly. Where is my thought going wrong in this case? Charles |
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Posted: 15 April 2011 at 15:20 |
I would say that it indeed would show zero knots and that this would be correct. You say traveling into a 6 knot wind, against a 6 knot stream. This means that the air and water are moving at the same speed and in the same direction. This is the same situation as if the water and the air both moved at 3 knots in the same direction. Or a hundred knots, for that matter. The result is that there is no wind. You can't sail. Your True Wind speed is zero. What might confuse you is that the flags on the shore are flapping. If you turn off your engine you will drift with the stream, with no wind, jealous of the people on the shore that have enough wind to sail. However, as soon as they get into a boat they will have the same problem as you. No wind.
So the information that the wind on the shore is 6 knots (which your wind instrument would tell you if you use SOG) is not more correct, it is just a different piece of information. It is however not as useful as True Wind. I hope this brings some clarity. Johan Edited by Johan Hackman - 15 April 2011 at 15:24 |
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