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Serenity
Sub Lieutenant Joined: 28 August 2013 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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We bought our 575 2 years ago. We had some problems as mentioned above with supplier parts and the already discussed deckseal. But the boat is a dream to sail. It is faster than all other equivalent boats from serial manufacturers. It looks great and gets always special attention. The quality of living onthe boat is superior.
Before we had a Beneteau Oceanis 50. This boat was much more complicate to sail with 2 persons and was very slow. For big sailingboats I would always choose Hanse. |
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hanno
Lieutenant Joined: 25 March 2010 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 42 |
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I saw the same 575 in Marianhamn and in Sandvik/Kökar. She really is a beauty. Had my 320 parked next to it and I've never felt so small... :D I'm upgrading to a 370/400 but that wont change a lot... :D Saw also how her hulls wind load rip the pier of it's place during the "the" storm. Luckily there were a lot of people pulling it back...
I at least have been satisfied with the Finnish dealer and Hanse quality. But as said a new boat is a new boat and you get you set of problems with it. |
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mglonnro
Captain Joined: 31 July 2015 Location: Turku Status: Offline Points: 346 |
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Cool!
Maybe the next question is 575, 505 or even smaller. It would be far easier to budget for a 505, but money aside, there are a lot of reasons to have an even smaller boat (not as heavy sails, shallower draft is better here in the Finnish archipelago, docking costs, ...). On the other hand, for that kind of money, I have to compare it with a similarly priced summer cottage near the sea, which means it has to be liveable for a family at least a few months a year => a bigger boat with more space really helps here. Can't wait to see them from the inside! |
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Serenity
Sub Lieutenant Joined: 28 August 2013 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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If you want to live for some months on the boat every squaremeter in space is very valuable. The space adds very much to the comfortfeeling on aboat. The handling is no problem with electric winches. Especially when you add a mainsail with inmast furling. This makes the handling of the very heavy FCL sails very easy. The performance is nearly the same as with lazyback, as the sails have vertical battens which hold the sail in good shape. The draft is maybe a problem which depends on the area you are sailing. In our experience there is usually just the difference of anchoring a little bit moer outside in the bay. There are not many harbours or marinas with depth lower than 3 meters which than cannot be accessed. But Hanse offers also a shallower keel, although performance maybe a little bit less.
A bigger boat handles better in waves and more wind which might also be an aspect of security. The 575 has the big advantage over the 505 that you have dinghi garage and therefore no fiddling with the dingi on deck. Ulrich |
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Rubato
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Mglonnro
You ask some very good questions. I took delivery of a 400e in early 2007 and have been an active participant in this forum ever since. Here's my thoughts based on my own experience and observing others. It is true that some people have had very bad experiences. I think 3 factors contribute to this: 1. Their initial expectations 2. The support they get from their dealer 3. how successful Hanse is in trying something new Before elaborating on these, let me say this. The quality and construction of the basic boat (hull, keel, rudder and steering, mast, rigging, etc) is top notch and fairly strong. However, the boat is built to a price point. The size of the winches, the strength of the blocks, even the construction of the interior can be done better for sure but then the boat would cost twice as much. For basic cruising on short trips none of this is a big deal but if you get involved in racing or long off shore trips then you will want to do some upgrades. Regarding #1, expectations: Buying a boat is not like buying a car, there are a lot more problems with a production boat. Hanse is no different than Bavaria, Beneteau or others in this regard (at least those in a similar price bracket). It is very easy to expect near perfection when you are spending half a million dollars (or Euros) on a boat like you're contemplating but it is not realistic unfortunately. If you want near perfection, either spend a lot more money or (my recommendation) buy slightly used where someone else has ironed out all the annoying imperfections. Regarding #2, dealer support: This is extremely important for a new boat. I was lucky, I didn't research this aspect but had a personal friend as the boat broker so he went the extra mile. If you browse the site you will find some owners that had little support and big problems while others had amazing support and problems were resolved quickly and without pain. Look for Hanse owners in your area and find out what the support is like. If it is poor or mediocre, consider buying elsewhere (like the UK where Inspiration Marine does an amazing job winning dealer of the year time and again). Regarding #3, new technology: Hanse has screwed up from time to time. For example, there was a time a few years back where windows were falling out of some hulls. Clearly this is a major screw up. Eventually, I believe things got sorted properly but initially it was difficult for the problem to be properly recognized by Hanse. Again, the support you get from your dealer is important in this case. If the model you're considering is a new design with new "features" not tried before, then you run a greater risk of having an issue. If the design is in it's 2nd or 3rd year then less likely to be a problem. Hanse is a great sailing boat, a performance cruiser. If you purchase one with the right mind set and decent dealer support it will be a lot of fun. Cheers Steve
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mglonnro
Captain Joined: 31 July 2015 Location: Turku Status: Offline Points: 346 |
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Thanks to all again for the good comments!
Seems to sum up the discussion :)
Which of the two dealers was that? HanSail or Merella?
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Nerthuz
Lieutenant Commander Joined: 25 December 2011 Location: Oslo, Norway Status: Offline Points: 67 |
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Hi all
I have bought 2 new Hanse boats, a 385 and now a well-equipt 455 this year. Overall I am very satisfied with the boats. It all about the dealer, thats for sure. I spent several days in Greifswald together with my dealer ( Fjordsailing in Norway) to get the boat ready. It will always be some detail problems, but your dealer should fix this. I had a 4 weeks vacation, in every harbour people came up to the boat with positive comments. Have a happy Hanse year. Regards Espen |
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Wayne's World
Admiral Joined: 18 July 2012 Location: Cruising Status: Offline Points: 1111 |
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Mikael,
We are probably all want to know - are you ordering a new 505 or 575 or looking a buying a pre-owned model? We decided to buy a new 575 as there were no pre-owned boats available when we were buying. We looked at the 505 and have a friend who has one and therefore have had a good chance to look at the 505. For our money the 575 is a better but because we live aboard and the extra space and comfort, the dinghy garage and space for other equipment means we made the right decision. We have had our 575 for about 14 months and traveled about 5,000 nmiles and yes we have had some issues which have been rectified by our dealer. Good luck with your new boat whatever it is.
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Wayne W
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mglonnro
Captain Joined: 31 July 2015 Location: Turku Status: Offline Points: 346 |
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At the moment I'm thinking new. I'm going to Oslo next weekend to look at the 575 and to Cannes the weekend after that to look at the 505. Pre-owned is certainly possible as well, but it feels a bit more risky, actually. There are no 505s or 575s here in Finland so I would have to tour around Europe to eventually find one.
Bows and thank yous! Mikael
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