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    Posted: 24 August 2012 at 12:46
See pictures on the new Hanse 345 here https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10150994843331105.410414.244645791104&type=1
Why double wheels on this small boat?
I think its a beatiful boat but why do hanse change there models so often? it destroy the second hand market.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote alettaenmarcel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2012 at 16:15
I do not think I will like it , to much off all in a 34 foot but it is still a artist inpresion , maybe in real it is a lott different . we will stick to our 370
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First impressions from a 355 owner...

The interior is not very different from a H355 except :
- Folding part of table now on port side (opposite to the natural way to forecabin !?!?)
- Front opening fridge (= H385) and drawner under the sink.
- Woodwork colour is a bit different

Outside is one more step to penny pinching.
Leading all lines to aft winches means only two winches (I have 4) and a very small lowcost opening hatch for the main locker (only the seat can move up.  the backrest is of course fixed in order to allow lines to be lead aft).
Big opening transom is great but that means no seat in behind the wheels and gas cylinder must find places elsewhere (on the side or in the locker ?)

Two wheels may be a bit too much but with a very large transom it has some sense.
The only plus I see is as the lines lead aft It will be easier to handle singlehanded.  Other plus : hatches and windows might be larger in aft and front cabins?  So more lights.

I'm glad with my H355 and I keep her.
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I'd prefer shrouds to meet chain plates on the inside of the side decks - then you can walk round them more comfortably. Also - a chart table you can sit wedged in to, would be better. Cant see any point at all, to 2 wheels on a 34ft boat - waste of space and money.
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Originally posted by Henrik84 Henrik84 wrote:

See pictures on the new Hanse 345 here https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10150994843331105.410414.244645791104&type=1
Why double wheels on this small boat?
I think its a beatiful boat but why do hanse change there models so often? it destroy the second hand market.
 
/Henrik


Don't worry, Henrik, that all depends on which new models Hanse presents and at what price.Wink

Personally I still have my favorites among the Hanse range regardless of the updates and new models. Needless to say that the 342 is one of them, but there are in fact a number of other models that I would still prefer over later models.Big smile

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Thanks Henrik.
Since today you will find the pictures in better resolution on hanseyachts.com.

What i am wondering about is:

What is the strategy behind this model (Same goes to 575...)
Usually they show the old model some time parllel to the new model on their homepage. Today the 345 showed up and the 355 is gone. Until Yesterday i was asking me, is the 345 coming for the 325 or the 355. Seems it it taking the part of the 355. But look at the numbers:

325 Hull 9,55m
345 Hull 9,99m
355 Hull 10,50m

To me the new is much closer to the 325 than to the replaced 355??

Why?
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Originally posted by Peter-Blake Peter-Blake wrote:

look at the numbers:

325 Hull 9,55m
345 Hull 9,99m
355 Hull 10,50m

To me the new is much closer to the 325 than to the replaced 355??

Why?

Beam is 3,50 m (H 355 = 3,55)
Weight is only 150 kg under 355 but ballast is 200 kg more (2030 instead of 1530)
Sail area is 10 m2 less (3 m2 for the main sail et ... 7 m2 for jib)
H345 has only 4 m2 more sail area than the H325 which weights 1 ton less...

Not sure it will perform as best as 325 - 355 but let's see
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Originally posted by Peter-Blake Peter-Blake wrote:

Thanks Henrik.
What i am wondering about is:

What is the strategy behind this model (Same goes to 575...)
Usually they show the old model some time parllel to the new model on their homepage. Today the 345 showed up and the 355 is gone. Until Yesterday i was asking me, is the 345 coming for the 325 or the 355. Seems it it taking the part of the 355. But look at the numbers:

325 Hull 9,55m
345 Hull 9,99m
355 Hull 10,50m

To me the new is much closer to the 325 than to the replaced 355??

Why?


Profitability is huge problem for this industry.

It might be sensible strategy to cut down number of models offered, get rid of 325 & 355 and replace them with sole 345 in order to focus profitability. Obviously the 325 still exist but if 345 is proven smaller one might be discontinued as well...

I dont know if they are successful but Bavaria has cut down their offering so in the future Hanse might be 345, 385, 415 etc...

Regarding secondhand value Hanse should offer special upgrade program for all loyal customers who would eg trade in 355 for 415 or 325 for 385 etc...
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My thoughts on the new Hanse 345

LOA/LWL- 10.40/9,50

Slightly shorter than the H350. Longer waterline length favours the 350? By the way, my owners manual says the LWL on the H350 is 10.22. If this is true, all H350 owners have a machine on their hands !!

Beam - 3.50

Slightly less beamy than H350 whose beam is 3.55. Surprised they didn't introduce chines for even better form stability

Displacement - 6.2 tons

About the same as the H355 with its non cored top sides but quite a bit heavier then the H350 at 5,763 with it's cored topsides. Hanse's are not the lightest cruiser/ performance cruisers around

Keel - 2,030

Love the torpedo keel even if they do snag laid lines from time to time They have made this a stiffer boat with better reserve stability by increasing the weight relative to the displacement compared to the H350 and H355. I would say that the form stability will be the same.

Draught - 1.87

Decent draught, similar to H350 and H355. Good balance between windward performance and being able to go places

Sail area - Mainsal - 32.5: Jib - 22.5 Total 55

Less sail area than H350 which has 35 mainsail and 29.6 headsail giving total of 64.9. A heavier boat with less sail area and less waterline length will make the H345 cruisier in nature and slower than the H350.
Set up is still with large mainsail and self tacking headsail which should be controlled IMHO by at least a pad eye in the cockpit set-up and preferably a main sheet traveller in the cockpit and not mid boom sheeting.. Not sure if this is offered as an option but if it is I don't see where it would fit given the size of the cockpit table.
One of the design options more and more nautical architects are going for is to split the cockpit into a working area and a chilling out area. Usually the area behind the helm is treated as the working area and it is here that the traveller is sometimes accommodated. If I look at the length of the boom though, I don't think they have gone for this. A pity IMHO.
They have lowered the mast height quite a bit to 15.75 versus 16.43 on the H350 but don't seem to have compensated for the reduction by introducing a fathead mainsail or roach. There seems to be an adjustable backstay which is a good thing in my view. Many of the new boats are doing out without this.


SA/D - 17.6. D/L - 202

This compares with 20.5 and 182 for the H350. The boat must be slower and cruisier in nature. The twin wheels cockpit table and bathing platform seem to confirm this

B/D - 32.7 L/B - 2.97

Versus 32% and 2.98 for the H350. Both boats will be stiff particularly considering most of the weight is in the bulb. Still would have liked a chine personally for even more safety.

Interior/exterior

Still dont like the nav station. Looks like an after thought on the H345 and the H350/355
They seem to have improved stowage in the saloon
Poor transom design on H350 way better on the new H345 - no longer all that wasted space behind the quarter berths.
Like the clutch layout in front of the winches being led aft. Don't like only having 2 winches though as Brufan has said.
Love the new hatch and port layout for loads of light down below.
Love having the chartplotter at the helm
Hopefully they have sorted out a bowsprit. Have always thought that this aspect has been overlooked on the Hanse. The Dufour 335 has an amazing removable bowsprit.
Shrouds are taken outboard which has some advantages but a major disadvantage in that you can't fit a big overlapping genoa which you can do on the H350 (but not on the H355) :-))))

I am sure the boat will be a dream to sail and the proof is in the way she sails. It does seem though that Hanse are moving the Hanse range towards the cruisier side and Dehler is occupying the performance cruiser side.











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Yesterday I have seen the new 345 at the Amsterdam boatshow. It's not my type of boat, because I do not see the need of two steering wheels on a relative small boat; 34 ft. Apparently Hanse is copying Dufour (335; 33ft) in this respect.
Moreover I noticed little storage space on the 345.
However It was nice to play with the new multi functional IS40 instrument, which may be a big improvement compared to the IS20 and the IS12.
Ed

sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611; white hull, (one) wheel steering, inboard ap, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, short rudder, two cabins, main sheet traveller in cockpit (finally)
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