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    Posted: 20 January 2018 at 10:24
My sails are very much well used and looking a bit shabby. We have the normal self tacker and Main with only 2 reefs as original supplied by East Sails.

Our Genoa was made by a Pwllheli sail maker but the laminate has now started disintegrating on the leach due to UV degradation.

Has anybody recently had a new set of sails?

Who from?

Would you have 3 reefs rather than 2?

Would you have a fully battened main?

Would you have laminate, cruising laminate or something else?

I have heard of good reports of Steve Goacher and Mouse sails.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mjo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2018 at 08:51
Hi Taylor,

the pre-owner of my 301 has equipped her with some good new clothes form Elvström:

main:
fully battened (4), Hydranet, 2 SL reefs and a 3rd jiffy (?correct) reef, 22,9 sqm
flying leech,

self tacker:
battened (1 full, 2 shorter), 13,2 sqm, Hydranet
jib hanks (no furler)

spinnaker:
tri, 56,7 sqm of 0,9 oz Contender-Nylite, came with a blackbox sock


I am quite happy with these sails. The 3rd reef of the main is well working and the self tacker w/o furler is easy to trim.
The hydranet is quite stable with 320 g/sqm and is keeping the shape.
The genoa is an older model, I mainly use the ST, which gives enough power already at 12-15 knts of wind.

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Martin

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Martin&Rene Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2018 at 11:05
Steve Goacher, of Windermere, had supplied me with sails for my Merlin Rocket dinghy which I sail near Manchester, so having bought a Hanse 341, I purchased my cruising chute and snuffer from him.  We had good discussions with him and whilst I decided to go for a sail towards the lower end of his recommendations, I would probably go for a larger sail now.  A good sail and the snuffer works well  

3 years ago, I bought a self tacker from him and again we had useful discussions on its shape and size, as it had to clear a radar reflector, and it was supplied with vertical battens.  It has been a good sail and the only problem has been that we have lost a vertical batten.  The batten pocket must have been just a bit to wide and the batten had managed to work its way around the velcro tape.  I have just put a larger end cap on the other battens and they are okay.  

Though I knew they would be more expensive than Goacher, I decided to go with Saturn Sails of Largs for my mainsail, as my boat is based there.  This was not a total success.  They said that size of main should have 5 full length battens in it, rather than 4 as the original, and then supplied and charged me for a main with 4 battens in it!  I reckon that I ordered it in November for an end of March delivery and when I rang up in April saying that I was coming up in a weeks time, they suddenly realised they had not started it and rushed it.  Having said all that, it is a very well made sail, looks good and I reckon I can carry a full main for a couple of more knots extra.

Therefore, happy to recommend Steve Goacher as his sails look good and are well made..

Details questions.
I would go with 3 reefs, as the common viewpoint seems to be to go down to third reef, before you even start to think about furling the jib.  This is how I rig up my third reef, so I can reef from the cockpit.

http://www.myhanse.com/main-sheet_topic10522.html

Cloth selection 
I think the jib is Challenge Marblehead.
I am not certain for the main.  I think it is a Bainbridge cloth and it is the slightly lighter version with reinforcing threads, so it looks like it is rip stop nylon.

I have stuck with fully battened mains, as I think it gives a good shape and means the main drops easily in to its stackpack.  The original main had Rutgerson roller cars on it, whilst I was a bit disappointed that the new Saturn main only has the standard slug based luff cars.  I though I was buying a premium product.  On a 301, you will probably be able to get away with either. I think most mains now are loose footed and I made sure both the head ans clew were secured to slugs with tape, as the original main had just used plastic slides at its head and they had failed on a windy gybe.
Martin&Rene Hanse 341 Dipper Wheel steering, 3 cabin layout & shallow keel, normally based in Scotland
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote holby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2018 at 13:47
On my 301 like mjo the previous owner went for Elvström sails and they seem to me to have the longevity and still draw well. I also have a new main from East which I haven’t used yet. Both have three reefing points and for me the third reefing point is a must..
but goacher has given me good advice in th last and I would recommend them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2018 at 14:18
I got a new set of sails from North Sails. and did not get batterens for the self-tacking jib. This was bad decsision. The batterns are really nessersary to keep the shape near the head.
The Main on the other hand does have full length batterns and this makes it very heavy to raise and lower. Additionally there is too much roach at the back of the sail, and the top battern always catches on the backstay when tacking. They fixed it for me without any extra cost, which was good.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2018 at 16:43
If you want to change headsails at sea then battens in the ST jib is a wrong choice. I have now had 4 St's & hate the battens. The local sail maker who made the sail without battens made the comment " if you want a tent - go to a tent maker" his sail was excellent shape but i wore it out as the ST does get a lot of wear. If changing at sea it is difficult to pack the sail away without removing the battens & doing that on deck is awkward. This is more so with my latest laminate jib. The East jib lasted half a season & was useless. I would not use them again.
Goacher made 2 sails for me. The cruising chute was totally the wrong size even though the boat was in Windermere for them to measure & I finally got my money back after engaging the RYA legal services. That took a year. Goacher were far from helpful & had not taken into consideration my requests about how I wanted it cut as well as the fact they cut it to the wrong size.
The genoa they made was also wrong but I gave up on that one.
I have had a few sails from Hyde & would recommend them every time. My current Fibercon Main is brilliant. I have Hyde sails on My squib & one needs these to be competitive in that class. Hyde do put a lot of work into sail development on lots of classes which small local sail lofts cannot do.
My latest ST is from Ultimate because of their success in making blade jibs on the "J" class boats & it is powerful. Both Hyde & Ultimate measured the sails up for me. The main has 3 reefs to my spec. Hyde came & checked one of their sails after it was rigged, as did my local sail maker who made the battenless ST. Hyde did say that if I had a problem, or wanted advice with my current main they would drop by & have a look, but it is not necessary




Edited by samuel - 15 April 2018 at 17:03
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