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Topic: First Hanse - 5 Series
Posted By: LunaRossa
Subject: First Hanse - 5 Series
Date Posted: 11 July 2018 at 18:35
Hi Hanse owners!

I need your experience in terms how easy the handling of a 540e is. I am 49 years old and started sailing at the age of 12 but due to business and family I was not able to sail as much as I wanted to. But now I changed some things in my life and want to focus more on the things I love most in life. Therefore I would say I am a medium experinced sailor willing to practice and learn from other sailors before I would start to take over responsibility for boot and people. Actually I am thinking of buying a used 2008 model Hanse 540e. 

So here comes my concerns: 
I want to live on my boot and start exploring the Mediterranean See with other sailors and at a later stage I will start sailing on my own. Is it possible to handle a 540 on my own? I donít want to race or so I just want to have enough space and comfort when not sailing. As I told you I am turning 50 now 😉

Please let me know what you think and yes you can give me your advice regarding this model or is it better starting with a Hanse 470?

Many thanks for your support!

LunaRossa



Replies:
Posted By: SausalitoDave
Date Posted: 11 July 2018 at 19:42
My first boat was a 505 and I was 66 at the time with limited experience in sailing.  So, it is certainly possible.  Sailing a Hanse is easily a one-person job. Docking a 50 foot boat will take some practice, especially in tight quarters in the Med. Nothing you can't master with practice and maybe a bit of training.

Go for it!

Dave


Posted By: LunaRossa
Date Posted: 11 July 2018 at 20:13
Thx Dave for your reply. 

I am thinking in the same direction regarding docking of a 50 foot boat will need some experience which I still not have. Sailing will not be that major issue after becoming acquainted with her. 

Maybe in a rough see it could be challenging but therefore an early reff would help a lot I think.

So any other advice regarding sailing with a 50 foot boat from the Hanse community?

Many thanks from an newcomer in the Hanse world.

Marcus


Posted By: Carlosailfan
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 06:52
Actually I am sailing a 385  (with a bowthruster installed who is never used, so far ), last summer i rented a 44 ft in Croatia. I have a large crew Smile , my wife, daughter and myself. Really no stress, navigating was fine and comfortable and even in small marina's and Mediterranean mooring no problem at all even we had some days with strong winds. YES !! and to complete the story, No bowthruster in this rental one.
So i would say this is for me at least no shop stopper and size does not matter ! just more comfort what the crew really appreciated Thumbs Up


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Best regards
/C


Posted By: LunaRossa
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 07:56
thx Carlosailfan,

is anybody sailing a 50 footer short handed? 

Please share your experience with us regarding on sea maneuvers and docking when you are on your own.

Many thanks a future Hanse owner


Posted By: sailkoop
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 08:39
Hi LunaRossa,
I've a 470 and I am sailing often single or doublehanded. Last Year I raced the Silverrudder. It's a famous regatta in the Baltic Sea singlehanded. The Cockpit Layout from the 470 and the 540 is made for shorthanded crews. The big different between the two models are the Power and the Size of Sails while sailing or docking. The Bowthruster helps you up to 4bf. crosswind. Anything above is not working only with the Bowthruster. Their you need experience how to dock a boat with a high area of boat surface where the wind forces to the wrong Time...
I guess you should start with a 470 for a few Years!!

....only my two cents....


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best regards

Bjoern

http://www.sy-serafina.de
Hanse 470e #165



Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 09:17
LunaRossa,

We sail our 575 all the time double handed (0ver 13,000nm so far) but single handed would be more difficult, but not impossible. You are probably better off with a furling main (although performance not as good as slab reefing) you would definitely need a bow thruster and when you are doing Med mooring onto a town quay an anchor chain control in the cockpit or wireless remote would be a big help as would a chain counter but not necessary - just would be good to have. If you are normally single handed I would think a 470 would have plenty of room and reasonable tankage (fuel & water) for the Med. Ongoing costs for berthage, annual maintenance and slipping etc will all be more for the 540 by say 30% which is not excessive. We went for the larger boat because we wanted more tankage, more space for equipment (water maker, dive compressor, washer/drier etc) and have found the "real" dinghy garage to be a real advantage. Plus we are on board most of the year so the larger internal volume is better for us. 


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Mediterranean.


Posted By: LunaRossa
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 11:03
thx Sailkoop
thx Wayne's World

thank you very much sharing your experience with us! Really appreciated

It is as difficult as expected :-)) on one side I would like space for all my diving gear, SUP, Kite, water maker etc. what would point directly to the 540 and on the other side I know that I will be most of the time on my own and no helping hands with me. Keeping that in mind I should prefer a 470 but the price difference to the bigger boats is not that much which let me think of buying a bigger boat. 

My price range is between Ä 150 - 200K and this is why 470 or 540 - but to be honest I slightly prefer the bigger one and still not sure if it would be possible for me to sail it one handed.




Posted By: kipwrite
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 11:41
I regularly sail my 505 single handed, and I have a standard Main with the sail bag. If you have a working autopilot and a bow thruster, with practice you will find these boats handle easily.

Coming into a dock a helping hand ashore helps enormously. The few times Iíve brought my boat into a slip without dockside help while singlehanded, Iíve only done so in light winds. The freeboard on these boats makes single hand docking tricky in higher winds.



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Kipwrite


Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 12:20
LunaRossa,

You may find a 540 with more options you want like generator, extra refrigeration etc. So maybe the bigger boat is better?
In the Med you are often met by marina staff in a RIB when entering a marina. If you radio them and tell them you are single handed and would like some additional assistance they will help. I have seen marina staff dropped onto incoming boats where additional assistance is needed for whatever reason. Of course at town quays there is normally no official assistance but there are often (in season) other sailors who will generally offer assistance. 
 I would not worry too much about handling a bigger boat when outside a marina or port area. Maybe you should reef a bit earlier, allow extra time and develop ways of getting things done as a single hander. As Kipwrite mentioned above a good autopilot is like having an extra person on board. 
Practice and your confidence will develop. You need to know when you can get into a marina berth or town quay and more importantly know when conditions exceed your experience and ability an choose a safer option like anchor out or arrange additional assistance. Make sure you have the boat well fendered up to protect other boats as well as you own. 
Good luck!   


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Mediterranean.


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 12 July 2018 at 13:07
My wife and I sail our 575 by ourselves all the time.  The times you really need more than one hand is when you are making a long passage or docking.     Sailing it yourself is easy given the way the boat is rigged.   Docking requires line handling,  and its a lot of freeboard so it can be blown around a bit on a windy day.  

As with many things,  technology makes it easier.  Bow and stern thrusters,   anchor windlasses, furling main sails, etc..    The less you have to manhandle things like sails or non-electric winches, the better.   Of course there is a cost to this...

FWIW


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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 #161
Newport, RI


Posted By: LunaRossa
Date Posted: 13 July 2018 at 08:37
thx Wayne's World!

these are the words I was waiting for Wink

Fully agree with you - an early reef is for sure the way to go and a good autopilot is a must; what about the "standard one" is this a good solution or do I have to go for a replacement?

Many thanks

LunaRossa


Posted By: LunaRossa
Date Posted: 13 July 2018 at 08:46
thx Black Diamond!

Yes this is the way to go - do you think a furling main sail is a must? Because in my price range I did not find one boat with this option. Hope this will not be a show stopper for me. 

What exactly do you mean with there is a cost to this? Replacing the non electric winches etc.?

Many thanks

LunaRossa


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 13 July 2018 at 10:17
Any upgrade is a matter of cost/value determination by YOU.      My wife and I got tired of folding sails and manhandling them under load.  Bigger boat.  Bigger sails to bend on.. etc..   After 35 years of sailing we decided it was OK to have electric winches and a furling main.  Its not cheap, though...

Yes... I mean the cost of changing the boom or adding electric winches.   For what its worth,  the two electric winches on a 575 are just fine.  No need to convert the others.    You need to shop around with riggers and at shows to see what deals are to be found.

We did not go with the standard Hanse furling main as it was too expensive.   In our case we went with a leisurefurl boom that was installed for less than half the cost.   We had it on our prior boat and were happy with it.  Putting the sail on in the spring is a matter of rolling it into the boom from the deck while loading the battens as you go.

If I couldn't afford a roller furling boom, there are ways to make things easier at lower cost.  Lazy jacks, single line reefing, etc..   If you are putting money into the boat, ask yourself what can be changed later versus what needs to be there at the initial purchase.  Some things cannot be changed easily (like the engine or the basic rig).  Other things, like cockpit cushions or electronics upgrades might be able to wait a couple of years...

You don't *NEED* some of these things, but it does make sailing easier for 2 people.   Reefing a roller furling main is a simple matter of rolling the main in to just below one of the batten points (there are six on our main).     It doesn't get much easier than that

FWIW


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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 #161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 14 July 2018 at 10:12
LunaRossa,

The "standard" equipment fitted by the factory in the 2005-2008 period would probably have been Simrad. The Simrad autopilots have been good and reliable. The heading compass connected to the autopilot can sometimes cause the boat to wander too much. The standard heading compass (RC42N Rate Compass) can be replaced with a Fluxgate version (FC40) which will probably improve the AP performance. This is not a high cost modification. When you do your test sail prior to buying your boat check how well the AP controls the boat particularly at low speeds.    


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Mediterranean.


Posted By: sailkoop
Date Posted: 14 July 2018 at 12:47
Sorry Wayne,
I have to interrupt! The fc 40 is the bad and the Rc 42 is the better one!!

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best regards

Bjoern

http://www.sy-serafina.de
Hanse 470e #165



Posted By: LunaRossa
Date Posted: 14 July 2018 at 22:15
Hi Wayne,
hi BjŲrn,
hi Rick,

many thanks for sharing your experience. I just checked the option list of the boat I am interested in and it says a SIMRAD 24NM. So I might have to change this system anyway? GPS is SIMRAD + FURUNO (no further details so far. 

@Rick: a furling main would be perfect for me, what do you think I have to calculate for a leisureboom upgrade? Can I still use my 2016 Elvstrom or do I have to chance this quite new sail as well?

Thanks guys for sharing!

LunaRossa



Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 14 July 2018 at 23:14
Couple of thoughts

1. The furlboom option provided by Hanse for the 575 costs about $US55-60k.   I found this ridiculous. Taking the existing boom off and putting a Leisurefurl boom on costs about $US25-30K including labor.   I cannot comment on overseas prices.   You get the boom, a new and much better boom vang (you can sell the existing one) and all the mast work (mostly the luff tape groove)

2. A sail is cut special for the boom. The sailmaker (and I worked directly with Elvstrom in Denmark who made it that way new) gets package of specs from Leisurefurl based upon your mast and boom measurements.   Iím not sure if you can change an existing sail for use with the boom. I have the sailmakers package for the 575 and can send it to you.   You can then check with your sail loft to see what is possible.   Be careful.   The specs can vary based upon mast serial number. Itís usually fine but if there was a different lot of masts used when your boat was built things could be different

Let me know if you want the sailmakers package and the boom info. Send me your email in a private message and Iíll send it that way.



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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 #161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 15 July 2018 at 02:21
Keep in mind this was for a 575.   A 470 or 505 would be less

Rick

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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 #161
Newport, RI


Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 15 July 2018 at 07:18
Sailkoop,

Thanks for the correction, you are correct.



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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Mediterranean.


Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 15 July 2018 at 07:29
LunaRossa,

I think you will find the Simrad 24NM refers to the radar (24 nmile range). We have found often the information on websites about used boats can be wildly incorrect. To the point where the boat images shown are completely different boats of the same model but with, say different coloured hull. So you would need to check all the details are correct. Nothing wrong with Furuno equipment.

After seeing Rick's furling boom we looked at doing the same thing with our 575. There is a manufacturer in Europe who makes the same furler under license. But, the cost ended quoted as around E50,000 to supply,freight, fit the boom, new vang and new main sail. Elvstrom advised our current sail could not be re-cut to the furlers specification. So in the end we thought it was too expensive - a  shame but that's life.  



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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Mediterranean.


Posted By: LunaRossa
Date Posted: 15 July 2018 at 08:38
As I said I am looking to buy a Hanse 540e 2008 model with an asking price of Ä170k. So a furling main sail would be awesome but does not match with my budget.

Maybe when I upgrade on a newer boat that could be an option for me. The 575 is my dream so when you will sell her let me know Wink

Really appreciate all your informations you shared with me - will keep you updated!

LunaRossa
   


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 15 July 2018 at 12:00
SIMRAD = B&G = NAVICO anyway..Big smile   Furuno radar has a good reputation and my experience with it on one of my boats was good.   The only relevant point I'd mention is power consumption.   An analog radar (as opposed to the newer digital/broadband/chirp radar) will consume much more power and take a few minutes for the magnetron to set up.   Resolution can be somewhat less than today's radar as well.   For example,  Digital radar can often see the dinghy being towed by the boat and not just the boat.  Or give better shoreline clarity. 

For 10 years prior to building this boat,  we had RAYMARINE E120 and E80 analog radar / chartplotters on our boat.    People kept asking me when I was going to upgrade.  I kept telling them that the units did everything I needed (and more).   I never changed the electronics from the original equipment I had installed in 2007. 

Replacing things for the sake of having the latest and greatest is dumb.    If you have to spend the money anyway (something broke, or its a new boat and you are deciding what to put in), then do your research and be happy with those decisions for a long time.   It will often take you years to get to know your boat anyway...

As Wayne said,  you add up the numbers, make a value judgment, and move on...


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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 #161
Newport, RI



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