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If you want the radar on the mast consider placing it on the side of the mast - not the front.  Hanse UK recommended this to me and it works great.  It gets the dome out of the way of the foresail and removes the radar shadow caused by the roller reefing.  You can also place the dome lower without interfering with lights.  Mine tucks nicely into the angle protected by the raked-back lower spreaders.

I've only seen one other yacht with the dome on the side of the mast.  I can vouch for the fact that it is an elegant and working solution.

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Hi, 

I'm George Huffman and will be rigging electronics and accessories on a 400e soon.  I am requesting information on wire runs and installation issues (good and bad) particularly concerning the auto pilot installation.  I am an experiences professional installer but I do not wish to re-invent the wheel here. 

 

I would greatly appreciate pictures of auto pilot drive unit installations.  So far Iíve heard of using a PYI drive and the Jafa drive. 

 

We are also installing a Webasto Heater.  Any direction here would also be appreciated.

 

Thanks very much in advance.  Iím looking forward to getting started cutting holes and filling them with neat toys.  In return Iíll be taking a lot of photos and documenting the work to post here for others to follow up on.  Perhaps we could even get a Wiki started? 

 

Also there is a good chance that Iíll be privelidged to get some cruising in on the boat in the Abacos this spring.  Iíll be happy to share particulars of that experience as well.

 

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Some thoughts come to mind with respect to my 400e:
 
1.  The rate compass for the autopilot was installed in the locker in the forward cabin.  It is bolted to the forward wall of the locker and immediately on the other side of that wall is a shelf that runs along the berth.  I was finding a significant error between my bearing and course and discovered that a digital clock sitting on the shelf was affecting the bearing.  I haven't moved the compass yet (just the clock) but it would be better located lower or closer to the center-line of the boat.
 
2.  There wasn't quite enough clearance between the autopilot steering arm and the cockpit floor - had to grind some material off the underside of the floorboard so it wouldn't interfere with the steering arm when someone stood on it.
 
3.  I have a webasto heater that was installed in the lazarette area.   It sometimes shuts down with an "overheat" indication.   I haven't figured out the cause yet but I'd suggest making sure you leave adequate clearance around the heater.
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Make sure that the Webasto can breath.  I've had a simular problem with an Espar (very like the Webasto) and it was due to poor ventilation.  They need a pretty good supply of air from the outside. 

I agree about your compass location.  I always install them as low and close to center of boat as I can. 

If you don't mind my asking, what autopilot drive unit did you install, do you happen to have any photos?

Oh and make sure and re-swing that compass once you move it.  Directions to do so should be in the installation literature. 


Thanks

George


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I also noticed the autopilot steering arm touches the floor on my boat. I'm not sure if I need to do anything. Presumably the steering arm will grind its own recess.
 
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The Jefa drive is tough to beat, recomended by 2 competitors. Go to http://www.jefa.com/News/hanse/hanse.htm

to see pics and drawings.

A Dutchman track (which we make - www.mvbinfo.com) or Strong track is essential - much simplier and less expensive than an electric winch, and allows the sail to drop more quickly. Both are UHMW - a durable, low friction plastic. Ours has a little less friction, will not let the batten fitting hit the mast when off the wind, and is lighter.

Since we are not keen on lazy jacks, we altered the Hanse cover to work with our sail flaking system, which works pretty well - no catching the leech or having to be head to wind. It also looks much better, unless you like the cover always out there while sailing.

Speaking of our products, we were testing our boom brake on the 400 in about 20 knots of wind. The standard Sparcraft pad eye mounted under the boom ripped out (the bail bent together). This bail should not be used for brakes or preventers. Sparcraft has an upgraded bail with a welded strut to keep the bail from folding together and popping out.   Anything that keeps the 2 legs of the bent ss bail from coming together will help.

One of our most successful mods was to mount Bose speakers on adjustable Ram mounts in either aft cabin under the hatches. Point up for cockpit speakers, point forward for interior speakers (with the doors open).

Also, get rid of the stupid spring holders on the nav panel access doors - much easier to open and close without them. Thought this was a mistake, but it seems every Hanse has them. The doors will not open when closed with the supplied hardware and the spring holders removed.

The rubber bumpers on the folding transom platform need to be upgraded with washers to keep from marring the transom.

You can see our Hanse 400 on yachtworld.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatFullDetails.jsp?boat_id=1604354&checked_boats=1604354&ybw=&units=Feet¤cy=USD&access=Public&listing_id=75584&url=

(Or just search for Hanse 40's - boat in Norwalk CT)

We will have photo's of some of these mods also on our Hanse section of our website.

Dutchman / Sound Sailing Center
54 Calf Pasture Beach Road
Norwalk CT 06855

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Outstanding!  Thanks! 

What location did you choose for the auto pilot compass and what deviation did you achieve on sea trial?

Thanks for the help.  As I've said we will be sharing as well. 

George
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Originally posted by Sound Sailing Sound Sailing wrote:

A Dutchman track (which we make - www.mvbinfo.com) or Strong track is essential - much simplier and less expensive than an electric winch, and allows the sail to drop more quickly. Both are UHMW - a durable, low friction plastic. Ours has a little less friction, will not let the batten fitting hit the mast when off the wind, and is lighter.
 
Very interested to hear more about this.  There was a discussion on the 370 section about problems of mainsail luff friction.  I've had a look at the www.mvinfo.com site and it tells me most of what I want to know.  But for Hanse's how easy is it to install?  Does it require mods to the sails (assuming standard North Sails fitted)?  Did you try the trackless ball bearing car option?
 
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Dear Colin,

UHMW tracks just slide up the mast in one or two sections, and are easy to fit.   The hardest job is that you need to cut the track open for 10cm on both sides at the location of the normal gate.   This is best done with a Dremel tool and the cut off blade.   The entry point is then smoothed. The sail hardware mostly screws on and is also easy to fit. Only the headboard car is webbed on.

I think ball slides are a poor solution, especially given the cost.   They are of little help when the sail is being pulled back, as happens in stronger winds, or when reefing on a reach. Also, the balls pick up dirt and salt off the mast, deposit it in the raceway, and the balls then momentarily jam. Although they will start turning again, in time they develop little flat spots, and will need a 'ball transplant'.
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Iím only responsible for a portion of these upgrades but itís a big portion.  The owners of Rocinante were true team members and often team leaders in this project.  Without owner involvement the chances for everyone to be happy at the end of the job are not as good.

 

Itís only a little more difficult to run wires inside of tubes.  The results speak for themselves.  This is the GPS mounted on one of the braces for the wind generator pole.

 

 

We have also made use of that pole for making a crane for the outboard motor.  I hung my own nearly 200 pounds from this crane and even bounced a bit with no negative effects. 

 

 

The arm is swung over in this picture to get a good view of it.  With the arm in useful position the hook will strike the engine cover right in itís center.

 

 

 A Danforth anchor is essential for those who wish to anchor in these waters and those of the intracoastal waterway of the Eastern U.S.  I had to weld a ring onto this one to get it to ride correctly in the bow roller.

 

 

Here it is in place.

 

 

Full time cruising means a need for more amp hours.  The pre-made battery boxes would have taken up too much space.  I built this one in place with wood epoxy composite method.  Itís encapsulated in West System epoxy and fully tabbed to the boat.  

 

 

 

And a perfect fit.

 

 

I wanted to show the Jefa Drive unit installed with the helm centered, then hard over one direction and the other.  Some other photos of installs donít look right to me but not being on the boat I canít really say why.  One thing of note is that the tiller arm on the rudderpost is not perpendicular to the boatís line of travel when the rudder is centered.  You can see by the alignment of the slot on the tiller arm of the Jefa unit with screws in the case, that itís making even travel from side to side and centered when the rudder is centered.  We only had to correct the rudder angle sender 3 degrees with software at the dock, and no further adjustments needed to be made even on sea trial.  Iíve already posted pictures of my choice of location for the rudder angle sender.  Itís nice and dry in the lazerette area and screwed to the underside of the cockpit sole.  We did have to reverse the red and green leads at the computer to compensate for the sender being physically hooked up backwards.

 

 

 

 

I donít have a picture of the compass location but Iíll describe it.  We put it under the forward nav station seat in the salon.  The worry I had concerning the ferric material in the seat swivel was unfounded as illustrated by the photo below.  I did leave all of the compass wire lead in a service loop in the event that we needed to move the compass.  Canít argue with sea trial results like these though. 

 

 

The next set of  photos are the Webasto heater installation.

 

 

 

 

 

I had nothing to do with the interior upgrades.  These were mostly attributed to the art of Maria Mendoza.

 

 

Quote "The cabin of a small yacht is truly a wonderful thing; not only will it shelter you from a tempest, but from the other troubles in life, it is a safe retreat." -L. Francist Herreshoff

 

 

 

 

Best Regards

 

George Huffman

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