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    Posted: 17 November 2020 at 21:12
Any thoughts on a whisker pole for the 508?

On my Cat315 I had a whisker pole I used to hold out the genoa during downwind sailing. I’ve also used it on the asymmetrical during light winds. 

I’m imagining the length of the pole wound make a track on the mast something to consider?

Trying to get these ideas hashed out before the mast gets raised sometime in February. 

Any other adjustments to the mast before it gets put up?  
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I had a whisker pole on a previous (non Hanse) boat. Although a lot smaller (31’) she had a similar rig eg Fractional selden with self racking blade jib. The whisker pole was on a track and worked very well (essentially it made the jib useable offwind rather than being redundant). I was so pleased with the set up that I’ve managed to find a second hand telescopic pole for my 418 and am just going through the same thought process as you. I’ve emailed a couple of riggers to see if a simple ring on the mast will suffice or whether I need the whole track. I’ll post their views on here when received. I’m not a fan of keeping the pole stowed vertically up the mast so I don’t need a track for that as I keep it on the deck

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Matt,

I am looking at whisker poles for our 575 and will probably want to store them on the mast to get them out of the way and make handling them easier. Currently looking at adjustable ali Forespar whisker poles in the 15-27ft size. I think I need them adjustabkle because I want to use them for the ST headsail (and possibly twin headsails) and our BWR which has a very high clew. There we need tracks on the mast so storage on the mast seems to make sense. I am interested why you prefer the poles to be stored on the deck? 
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After a conversation with a rigger in Annapolis:

the telescoping function is necessary since it would be too long to handle if you were to buy one made to the perfect length.  The one on the 315 was kept on the deck and wasn’t too bad as long as someone else held it up with the topping lift. 

They are heavy, so having it on a track makes it very easy to handle, especially with some else working the topping lift. It’s always connected to the mast, so the foredeck dancing is kept to a minimum. 

The ring I had on my 315 won’t work on a 50’ boat because of the forces.  You need a snug fit. 

To reduce weight, you can go with a half aluminum half carbon option.  The carbon tube is inside the aluminum tube so it is protected from UV. 

My main question was more if anyone actually used the pole on a boat that size. 
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Originally posted by Wayne's World Wayne's World wrote:

I am interested why you prefer the poles to be stored on the deck? 
 
Only that I try to keep any weight aloft to a minimum but mainly as I plan to do some extended ocean passage & if I dismasted I might be able to use the deck mounted pole to fashion a jury rig, whereas if it's on the mast it may end up being lost / cut away / damaged as part of the dismasting. It's obviously a long shot, but at least I would have a spare spar of some sort on the deck.
 
Obviously the loads are very different on a 418 compared to the bigger models, which may require mast stowage to make handling easier.
 
The rigger has come back recommending 2x rings on the mast (cheaper than a track). He has warned me that the selden telescopic poles are notorious for middle bearing wear but hopefully my second hand one is fine - I've seen it extended at it looked straight. FWIW he said the maximum telescopic pole Selden did would be marginal on a 418 but it's not a very big jib so I'm happy to take a chance. He also recommended supporting it at the end rather than the middle (with the pole lift halliard - In my case likely to be the gennaker halliard)
 
 
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Matt,

Thanks for the feedback. I notice on the Forespar website they suggest fitting deck chocks as well if normally the pole/s are stored on the mast. The theory being in very strong winds it is better to reduce windage and weight on the mast by putting the pole/s in the deck chocks. But not so sure I want to be on the foredeck with a 6 meter plus pole trying to get it down from the mast and into deck chocks when its blowing hard. Anyway my research continues. 
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