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    Posted: 21 November 2019 at 03:18
I was wondering if anyone has a PDF of the euro spec wiring diagram for the area of the shore power inlets to the charger, inverter and batteries?  Can you contact me privately if you have this diagram in electronic format?

I also have some questions while I am here.

Since there are two 16A/240V/50hz shore power inlets, is there anything other than the air conditioning on the second power circuit?  Are there battery chargers on both circuits?   Are there inverters on both circuits?  Is it possible (although not recommended) to run the air conditioner on the inverter/batteries? If so, I am wondering how this is possible since the power circuits are separated at the inlet.

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I’m very familiar with the 588 electrical. I also have the euro diagram if you’re interested...I believe it’s very similar to the 575. The two shore power inlets are 32 amp/240v, not 16 amp.  They feed two separate sides of the AC panel. One is air conditioners and cooling pump. The other is everything else including the inverter charger.  You can not run the air on the inverter since it is isolated from that side of the panel...but more importantly, it would very quickly overload the inverter and drain down you batteries.  When the generator runs, it feeds both sides of the AC panel and energizes the whole panel with one 32 amp circuit. Also, to protect the inverter, the hot water boiler and washer will automatically disconnect when the inverter is run and thus they will only activate on genny or shore power. Hope this helps.
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Interesting.  Thank you for that detail.   Brokers have been trying to tell me you can run one zone of the AC off of the batteries for a short time and I was wondering HOW that was possible given my assumption of two isolated circuits.
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Although my boat is US with both 220 and 110,  I've got a few docs you can have...   (Attached)

I thought the shore power component coming off the dock and into the boat was the same, and it was at the inverter/charger that things got different..  I'd be interested in knowing the differences as well


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The US version of the electrical is not very different from the 240 volt euro version.  The US version simply takes 240 right off the shore power outlet. The standard US 50 amp shore outlets provide one circuit of 240 volt / 50 amp or two of 120 volt. Hanse chooses to use it as a 240 volt outlet and thus most of the US version is actually 240 volt circuits, including the genny.  The outlets on the boat are simply stepped down to 120 volt with a transformer. Also, I guess you could run one air conditioner of the inverter, but it is not wired to do that. At 1200 watts, it would kill the batteries in 4-6 hours.
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Thanks for the PDF!   I would love to see the euro version of that to compare.  Plus I wanted to send the euro wiring diagrams to my electrician who would be doing the work.

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Sounds like you’re converting a euro boat for use on US shore power.  If so, the job is pretty simple since even the US boats delivered by Hanse are “modified” euro boats.  You’ll need the change out your two 240 inlets for one US style 50 amp inlet readily available here. Next, you’ll need to insert in line with that power inlet, at the stern, one 7000 watt Victron isolation transformer, also available here.  This will power most of the boat.  The only thing left is to convert your electric outlets. For that you will need to insert a Victron autotransformer in line with the 3 breakers that run the outlets and of course change the outlets themselves to US style.  Cost of all hardware will be less than $2000.
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Hey guys, I found a euro spec circuit diagram online for the Hanse 575.
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Originally posted by Arcadia Arcadia wrote:

Sounds like you’re converting a euro boat for use on US shore power.  If so, the job is pretty simple since even the US boats delivered by Hanse are “modified” euro boats.  You’ll need the change out your two 240 inlets for one US style 50 amp inlet readily available here. Next, you’ll need to insert in line with that power inlet, at the stern, one 7000 watt Victron isolation transformer, also available here.  This will power most of the boat.  The only thing left is to convert your electric outlets. For that you will need to insert a Victron autotransformer in line with the 3 breakers that run the outlets and of course change the outlets themselves to US style.  Cost of all hardware will be less than $2000.

You are correct, kind of.

I am planning to make the boat dual power.  So, when we cruise in destinations with 50hz, we are good to go, and when we cruise 60hz destinations, we are also good to go.  We are planning on keeping the interior of the boat euro spec, 50hz, but have two different shore power setups so we can plugin anywhere in the world.

I think the idea is that the US Spec battery charger will interface with the euro spec inverter to convert the 60hz to 50hz, if I am understanding what he is saying to me.



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I took this picture when I was replacing my stern gate remote control from the ridiculous NIMBAL unit to a much better GAMA Tech unit.      I believe the blue box at the bottom is the isolation transformer which takes the voltage coming in the boat.     You get at it by going into the starboard aft void via the garage and removing the hatch above the hydraulics.   I'm assuming this is what you will need to do as per the prior note.


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