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I'll remove the impeller again for a quick check, I save the old ones if ok to do so, so have a spare and can get a new one if needs be.

The trip from lowering into the water to the windward side of the pontoon at the marina, would've been 5 minutes including a change from forward to reverse and an increase in revs until control was mine. Removing the impeller to check showed no signs of damage, but I did coat it in the grease that came with it.  The trip from the marina pontoon down the river to my home berth was about 10-15 minutes, I noted no change in engine noise, which without the water going through the exhaust was not 'normal'.

I'll not get to the boat till next weekend.  I learnt years ago from an old mechanic, spark, fuel, air and trained as an Engineer to think methodically, so I'll work from the sail drive intake to the exhaust outlet. I know that the sail drive is not blocked as water poured out when the hose was discharging, so its from the strainer to beyond.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2023 at 08:22
Mine started to play up & I noticed that the pump cover plate was scored & worn. Although seemingly minimal, this will allow air to pass when trying to get the initial syphon going. My temporary solution was to clean the paint off the outside of the pump cover & very lightly abrade it so it was flat & clean. Then turned it round, back to front, & re fitted it. Problem solved. Smile

No way would I pay the ridiculous price for a new cover, so I purchased a piece of brass for £3-50 which is enough for 2 covers & cut & drilled & fitted that. Although the original Volvo cover is shaped it need not be & the screw holes follow a circular pattern. I cut it with a hole saw with the centre drill removed.

Some covers have a neoprene rubber seal. It may be worth looking at that & getting the cover closer to the vanes.


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Thanks Samuel,

The kit comes with a new O ring, which as a matter of course I change, I did look at back the of the plate and noticed some unevenness. On the yanmar the plate has inscriptions written on it so turning it over would probably be worse.

When I return at the weekend, I'll inspect more closely, see if there's anything that may cause an air leak first, as that's an easy check. I also tighten the bolts in an opposing sequence so not to load one corner at a time.

Thanks for your response.

Last time I was in Bradwell I arrived at 0500 helping my friend deliver 'Escalon' and I may be back with his new purchase.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2023 at 11:34
Well if you come in a Hanse there is a rule about flying a "My Hanse" forum flag. Dave Holby of this forum used to sell the flags, but he has not mentioned them lately.
I think it may be time to resurect the practice. I could do with some shots of other people's finest whisky
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If you do not know about this, then I am sure a search will show it up. Perhaps we should give Dave H a nudge. There must be a demand for more flags, now there are so many more Hanse boats about.
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Apologies for the thread drift, but agree with Samuel about the need for more MyHanse flags.  I quickly had to hoist mine when we met up with Davy Holby in Islay.  We did not just end up for a drink, we were invited for a lamb barbecue as well.
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In all the years I've been posting I've not heard of the forum flag!

But I did solve the problem.

I traced the water pipes from the sail drive through the system and the water comes into the impeller from the right and discharges to the left!

I had set the blades assuming it went from left to right, so it was trying to push water rather than draw water.  I did find that many of the jubilee clips took a few turns throughout the exhaust, assume that vibration over time loosens their grip.


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Particularly with an engine with a small number of cylinders, the engine can kick back and reverse direction slightly just as it is stopping.  The water pump vanes can handle this occasional reversal and they just flick through.  The general  concern is that if the impellor has been in for a year, taken out and then replaced the other way round, then you have completely changed the loading cycle on the vanes and this can reduce the fatigue life of the vanes leading to failure. 
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Well I've currently one of my old ones in as a spare whilst the new is on order.

Both Johnson and Jabsco do a 1028 or whatever replacement but it doesn't have the one threaded side for ease of removal.  So as not in a rush I'll wait till the correct one arrives from Johnson.
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I thought I had resolved the problem but we went out the other weekend and had to run back to tie up with an engine reaching 105C.

On inspection the new impeller I had replaced during the winter maintenance had shredded with no splines.  I spent a couple of days removing them from the heat exchanger, can never understand why manufacturers use Allen key bolts in places that is difficult to get to.  At least with a traditional bolt you have a chance to get a socket on it.  However, I still couldn't get water through the system.

Turns out that Yanmar provide a wear pack!  This is a space washer that fits behind the impeller to push it against the plate keeping the vacuum!  I bought a new plate as well.

This I fitted and the system is back to normal.


So the top plate is the new one and the bottom the worn one, worn by the actions of the rubber impeller, who says stainless is stronger than rubber.

I now have a filter basket almost full of water at 1,500 rpm with discharge out of the exhaust almost hitting the pontoon.
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Hi Jonb

May I kindly ask how many engine hours do your boat have?

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