Code 0 sail

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   Mike,
I would be interested in "talking" with you off list.  I sail Lake Michigan and frequently encounter light winds.  I bought a used 155 mylar/kevlar genoa which has helped but I don't point as high as I need to to be competetive in windward/leeward races.  Also have a north 135 which is my all purpose sail and I'm going to order a new asym soon.Looking at a code O for light air instead of my 155. What do you do with it when you round the windward mark?  Furl it and put up the asym, from the same sprit?  Do you put up and then take down the code O every time you use it?  Since it's on a furler with a furler line, I guess that you would have to put it up in the harbor before you head out.  Correct?
Your thoughts and advise appreciated.

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silversailor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 25 May 2005 Location: South Haven, MI Status: Offline Points: 1021	Post Options Post Reply Quote silversailor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 October 2010 at 21:06
	Mike, I would be interested in "talking" with you off list. I sail Lake Michigan and frequently encounter light winds. I bought a used 155 mylar/kevlar genoa which has helped but I don't point as high as I need to to be competetive in windward/leeward races. Also have a north 135 which is my all purpose sail and I'm going to order a new asym soon.Looking at a code O for light air instead of my 155. What do you do with it when you round the windward mark? Furl it and put up the asym, from the same sprit? Do you put up and then take down the code O every time you use it? Since it's on a furler with a furler line, I guess that you would have to put it up in the harbor before you head out. Correct? Your thoughts and advise appreciated.
	Silversailor South Haven, MI USA S/V Legacy 2010 Andrews 28

mopoulter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 19 March 2009 Location: London, Canada Status: Offline Points: 320	Post Options Post Reply Quote mopoulter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 October 2010 at 18:37
	Don't own the code 0 yet. If you like you can email me mopoulter@sympatico.ca
	mp Hanse 370 #416 "Anxiolytic"

mopoulter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 19 March 2009 Location: London, Canada Status: Offline Points: 320	Post Options Post Reply Quote mopoulter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 October 2010 at 20:37
	Found out the max size for a code 0 under IRC rules is about 72 m2. Thanks for making me check. Will be chasing down a few owners who have had code 0 made for their 370s by the same loft.
	mp Hanse 370 #416 "Anxiolytic"

Mark P Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 07 October 2009 Status: Offline Points: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark P Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 November 2010 at 15:07
	In terms of furlers in the March edition of Voiles et Voiliers there is a review of flying sail furlers. When sailing upwind, significantly greater loads are encountered and some of the systems don't work as well as they should. From what I know Facnor came out top.

mopoulter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 19 March 2009 Location: London, Canada Status: Offline Points: 320	Post Options Post Reply Quote mopoulter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 November 2010 at 13:21
	Thanks I will look into it. I have been told that for racing the set-up is not easy and requires practice to attach and remove quickly. I have a sock that I do not use for my asym spin and so I am thinking it may be more cost effective. The Facor 2500 list for 2300 $USD ! Also tacking is supposed to be a manouver that requires practise. Some folks have told me they furl, tack then unfurl. I guess I would have to sock, tack and then "unsock". Still don't know if the Hanse sprit will take the loads. If not and I will buy a Sparcraft sprit. How far out can it be before it would want to fail? The code 0 would only be used in winds less than 8 knots as I have a 147% genoa that is good to 15 knots then I have a 110% on the self tacker, big roach and battens (furlable).
	mp Hanse 370 #416 "Anxiolytic"

ligeia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 07 June 2008 Status: Offline Points: 136	Post Options Post Reply Quote ligeia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 November 2010 at 19:33
	With the furler the setup is easy. I use the Hanse bowsprit and so far I had no trouble (but Meaban* reported a torn sprit after sailing in mild airs). My furler is a Karver, which is certainly not the best one. It failed once when I encountered a sudden raise of wind (common in mediterranean) and I almost lost the sail. Facnor or any other is better. For tacking, actually "furl, tack then unfurl". Same with a sock, I guess... There is not enough space between the forestay and the Code 0 to tack like a genoa. My code 0 surface is 66 m² (sqm). * search memberlist
	"Teles", Hanse 370 #695 Port Fréjus (France)

Johan Hackman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 24 August 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 4361	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johan Hackman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 December 2010 at 10:14
	I would be interested to hear more about what wind angels and wind speeds the Code 0 would be suitable in. There is a huge difference at what wind angles my gennaker can be used in according to the wind speed. For example, the picture below shows my gennaker when the wind speed is 4 knots and the true wind angle is 70 degrees, which is practically sailing upwind. That angle would be impossible even at a wind speed of 6 knots. With a wind speed of 12 knots the gennaker can only be used at wind angles from 170 and 120 and at 15 knots only at 150 degrees. What would be the corresponding figures for a Code 0? Johan Edited by Johan Hackman - 08 December 2010 at 10:45
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mopoulter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 19 March 2009 Location: London, Canada Status: Offline Points: 320	Post Options Post Reply Quote mopoulter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 December 2010 at 14:39
	With a Code 0 you should be able to easily get to 40-45 degrees apparent (AWA), and maybe closer so I am told. I do not own one. I have decided not to get one this year will put a pole and sym spinnaker so I can sail deeper than my asym spinnaker permits right now AWA range 90-140.
	mp Hanse 370 #416 "Anxiolytic"

Markku Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 28 November 2009 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 110	Post Options Post Reply Quote Markku Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2010 at 11:38
	We have a Code 0 in our Hanse 371. It's from Doyle, made of 2.2 oz nylon and placed in Bartells furler, size is 62m2. Sail cut is quite flat full radial. From last summer experience I can say that the sail worked well in light winds. We had approx 35 apparant angle in 2m/s true wind. Also we had apparent angles 35...50 in 3-4m/s true wind but we didn't try in higher wind speeds. When sailing those apparent angles you have to tight the front luff really tight and therefore I would recommend dyneema halyard. From my experience Code 0 can replace a large genoa in light breeze but tacking in the same way is not possible. You either have to furl the sail in or turn 300 degrees. There is problem if you try to furl sail in when apparent angles - it doesn't come in because furler is turning around and sail is pushed open by wind. Then you have to ease the front luff and turn boat to downwind. Based on few times where I struggeled to get sail furled in I wonder if a snuffer would be better with nylon Code 0 and furler may be with laminate. Laminate Code 0 cost as twice much as nylon. I have couple of photos from our sail taken from another boat but can't find a button to add them. Markku
	S/Y Flow Hanse 371

Peter-Blake Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 04 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2471	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peter-Blake Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2010 at 11:42
	@markku do not use the quick reply down under the thread. If you use the reply button on the right of every post, than you can add fotos easily. Make sure the are not bigger tha 600* 800
	Blake 370



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