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    Posted: 06 June 2012 at 14:34
I just pulled my 325 out of the water after 7 months of use from brand new and was shocked to see the condition of the propellor, attached are the pics that I find unbelievable
Has anybody seen corrosion to this extent ?
What could be the reasons ?
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Sorry I had some problem uploading the pics here's a face book link with the pics
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150932053109294&set=p.10150932053109294&type=1&theater
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Hi Xantos

I have just seen your Facebook photo. The condition of your propeller is shocking, especially after such a short period, and something is quite clearly wrong. It looks quite beyond repair, certainly the blades are destroyed. From the looks of it the prop is a two blade  Flexofold? There is no way in normal conditions that it should be in that condition. I have tried to look at your sail drive leg anode and, although it is not very clear in your photo, it does appear to be quite corroded although nothing like as bad as your prop.

 I suggest that there could be a bad earth bonding problem possibly causing the problem. May I suggest that you check the continuity of the bonding right through the hull, maybe by engaging a specialist engineer to help. It is also possible that where you berth could be causing part of the problem. Is there steel marina pontoon stanchions nearby, or indeed other steel structures which could be having a bad effect, including a poorly earthed steel hulled vessel? Normal shore power connection should not cause this sort of problem unless there is something else wrong.

 I had a two blade Flexofold prop fitted at the time of commissioning of my Hanse 320 and after one season it was still in immaculate condition with hardly any marking. You can see a photo of it in the  'For Sale' items section of MyHanse. It only needed a light wire brushing to get it to the state you see it in. Please don't think I'm trying to push it on to you, I only mention it so that you can see that a propellor of this type should still be in very good condition after a seasons service.

 I hope that you can get a solution to this soon. What is the condition of your other hull anode?

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John

Edited by JohnA - 06 June 2012 at 16:11
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Hi John 
Thanks for the reply.
Yes its a 2 blade flexi fold
Here are some more pics
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150932267539294&set=a.10150932266659294.438897.641654293&type=1&theater
I spoke to the agent in India and was told there is no warranty on corrosion.
The boats only been at a mooring never at a marina and never used shore power .
No modifications to the electricals - everything is standard as it came from the factory 
The other hull anode is worn off completely !!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 June 2012 at 17:00
Hi Xantos,

 This is really bad news for you. I would be very concerned if my Hanse agent made that comment to me and I would be requesting him to check the boat out very quickly.

 You say that the other hull anode has gone completely and this makes me really convinced that you have a serious earth bonding failure. May I suggest that you investigate your engine compartment to check that there is no evidence of corrosion to your engine, gearbox and/or sail drive components. Also check your batteries. Do you switch the battery master switches off when you are not on the boat? There should be no evidence of corrosion at the batteries on a boat of that age if nothing else is wrong. If your distributor (agent) won't give immediate help to you, you really do need to engage a marine electrical expert immediately before other damage is done. I would also kick up an awful fuss with Hanse if your agent (who I assume sold the boat to you) will not help you! I suspect that something may have gone wrong at the commissioning stage.

 I suggest that, as the sail drive anode is not badly corroded that it is the prop which is taking all the corrosion in that area, this may suggest that the problem may be the bonding of the sail drive?

 Good luck with solving this problem. I have looked at your yacht on your Facebook pages and she looks really beautiful.

 It is a real regret that many Hanse owners throughout the world seem to have complaints about their distributors. In the UK we are lucky to have a good one who takes their responsibilities seriously and will always help with advice no matter how long after the original sale.

Regards,

John



Edited by JohnA - 06 June 2012 at 17:08
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Hi again Xantos,

 Sorry, I forgot to say that I was unable to see the additional photos mentioned in your link. Could you please check the link?

Regards,

John
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brufan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 June 2012 at 17:57
Normaly with a 325 you have a Volvo engine (D1-20 or D1-30).
Volvo saildrives are electrically isolated from the engine and so from the yacht electrical systems.
If you look carefully to the bolts between saildrie and engine you will see that they're kept in a plastic housing and there's a ring of isolation between engine and gearbox.
So with a Volvo engine there shouldn't any electric flow between them.  If there is, there's something wrong.
If you switch the mains electric off (both service and engine) check with an Ohmmeter if there's any flow between them.
This could be one of the failure that can explain.

You can also check about faulty electric flow in the marina.  In my harbour, yachts located close to the professionnal fishing part (where's ships use shore power and genset) see their anode worn within 6 mounths.  Although yachts located 100 meter away don't have problems with thier anode.
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Hi John
Here's the link again
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150932267539294&set=a.10150932266659294.438897.641654293&type=1&ref=nf
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Originally posted by JohnA JohnA wrote:

Hi again Xantos,

 Sorry, I forgot to say that I was unable to see the additional photos mentioned in your link. Could you please check the link?

Regards,

John


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Hi Xantos

I had a similar problem last year, see my previous post with a picture of the hole in my prop. This is definitely an electrical problem. Your prop, being alloy is acting as your saildrive anode, and be happy that the saildrive did not go down the same road as your prop, because it is also alloy and would cost many thousands to fix.

Several things to consider. Firstly you must use a non copper content antifouling on your prop. For example Trilux33.

Secondly, as previously mentioned, the saildrive must be electrically separated from the engine, if the control cables make contact with both engine and saildrive then you must insulate them some how.

Thirdly is the saidrive anode making good contact to the saildrve housing.

Fourthly if a steal boat is within 20 metres you will act as his anode.

Fifthly if the marina has a poor set up with there electrical supply you need to decouple your boat from the marina supply.

Since I use a 50 watt solar panel, and do not need the use of the marina power, where a steal boat is moored 20 meters from mine, I have less electrolysis

 

Hope this helps Andrew

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Hi Andrew,
Thanks for the reply , Im still scratching my head trying to figure out the cause of the corrosion.
None of the well known causes seem to be the reason.
  1. The Boat has never been at any marina- There is none in Mumbai , India
  2. No shore power has ever been connected
  3. No electrical modifications have been made - not even a change of bulb
  4. Most other boats moored nearby are all fiberglass hullsConfused
I have sent the pics and the dealers inspection report to Hanse - lets see what they come up with .

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