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   Silversailor - It would be interesting to hear about your maiden voyage and first thoughts on the Hanse 370...
The discussion about single handed problems with spinnakers reminded me of a yacht we spotted last week in Cannes bay.  It had what appeared to be a huge flag.  We went over to see what was going on and it turned out to be a spinnaker flying out from the masthead.  Both the tack and clew were flying free without any sign of sheets nor ripped sail.  The single person on board was heading for the marina and didn't want assistance.  We puzzled over what had happened.  Did he raise the spinnaker without fixing the sheets on first?  Did the knots on tack and clew come undone?

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colincooper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote colincooper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 April 2006 at 09:50
	Silversailor - It would be interesting to hear about your maiden voyage and first thoughts on the Hanse 370... The discussion about single handed problems with spinnakers reminded me of a yacht we spotted last week in Cannes bay. It had what appeared to be a huge flag. We went over to see what was going on and it turned out to be a spinnaker flying out from the masthead. Both the tack and clew were flying free without any sign of sheets nor ripped sail. The single person on board was heading for the marina and didn't want assistance. We puzzled over what had happened. Did he raise the spinnaker without fixing the sheets on first? Did the knots on tack and clew come undone?
	Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)

Brightside Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 07 October 2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 378	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brightside Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 2006 at 18:40
	Hi Colin (Hilde/370) Please could you post a picture of the Genniker pin fitted at the stemhead. Thanks Mike

colincooper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote colincooper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2006 at 17:53
	Will do as soon as I'm out there next.
	Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)

marcust Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 11 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 157	Post Options Post Reply Quote marcust Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2006 at 21:17
	Mike, You can see one here: http://www.hanseyachts.co.uk/shopproducts.asp?catidid=12& ;tot=&qty= But it won't fit your 371 (or mine) as it requires the later stemhead/bowroller concoction which now appears on the 370 and has a hole in it to accommodate the ginniker pin. I understand very recent 371s also had this arrangement, but less recent ones did not.
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Clive Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 27	Post Options Post Reply Quote Clive Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2006 at 13:31
	Can you tell me which performs better the chute or a spinaker. I am looking at buying a new 370 or 400 and want to race aswell as cruise Clive

colincooper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote colincooper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2006 at 16:13
	Have a look at: http://www.banks.co.uk/cruisingspin.html for the full lowdown. A true spinnaker is for running downwind, needs a pole and takes practice to use. An asymmetric spinnaker (or cruising chute) is for beam reach down 150 degree off wind. Doesn't use a pole and is easy to use. There are various cuts of both to give you different angles to the wind in different conditions. For serious racing you need them both. If only one then I would guess that the asymmetric is more versatile. You have to "tack" downwind for maximum speed anyway. Any serious racers care to elaborate?
	Colin (owner of Hilde - a 370)

Nereide Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 31 January 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 189	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nereide Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2007 at 09:03
	I also have the standard Hanse Factory Gennaker pin, and just received the assym spi, but i'm now wondering how/whether any of you have a fixed tack to the pin or have any gone for an adjustable tack & block on the pin - if so how have they rigged the line back to the cockpit? please give me your advice, solutions adopted. thanks

Nereide Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 31 January 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 189	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nereide Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2007 at 09:18
	Colin, i noted that it looks like that you have your sheets for asym spi running in front of forestay (but behind Luff), this would mean when gybing, the assym spi passes between it's luff and forestay. i read that when you gybe, you should let the sheets free, let it fly free like a flag while gybing and haul in the sheet on other tack. To do this you would have to have the sheets on the outer side of the assym spi Luff. can you confirm your experience of rigging the Assym Spi, thanks

greyghost Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 02 November 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 151	Post Options Post Reply Quote greyghost Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2007 at 18:14
	Stephen, I have a 342, and initially flew my asymmetric with an adjustable tack line led to a block at the end of the sprit. I found a clean lead from there to a snatch block mounted atop the stbd bow cleat, thence to a block mounted on a stanchion base on the tubing beneath the self-tacker track, and from there found a clean lead to a free (outboard) jammer in the cockpit. You may be able to rig your tack line the same way, though I am aware the 370 does have a cover for lines leading aft from the mast base. I now use a Rollgen roller furler for my asymmetric, but I still rig an adjustable tack line in the same way when I'm racing. We have found that the Rollgen's tabling foil is quite close to the forestay, making inside gybes trickier than with a free-flying spinnaker. So we now run our sheets outside everything and do outside gybes. Cheers, Doug

JofB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 17 January 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 129	Post Options Post Reply Quote JofB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2007 at 18:19
	Nereide, I would say you should go with what you have read - the slot to gybe the spin between itself and the forestay is much too small and would only end in tears, I think. When I was wondering how it should be done best, having ordered the sail but before I used it, I found a very useful short video on http://www.ukhalsey.com/LearningCenter/FlasherMovie/flashertrailer.asp (the UK Halsey website) that certainly confirms that you should should have both sheets led outside of everything and when gybing let the sail fly out momentarily before sheeting in on the other tack. Effectively the sail turns inside out. It certainly worked for us! You can watch the trailer for free - just register for their e-mails. They have some other interesting videos on MOB recovery and other subjects. Edited by JofB - 10 April 2007 at 18:22
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