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32mike
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Posted: 25 October 2025 at 13:02 |
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Wayne,
Maybe you could just go back to the original setup of house bank starting the generator. Conventional wisdom is that deep cycle batteries, like most lithiums, aren’t suitable for start batteries because they don’t deliver the high cold-cranking amps that start batteries do. I’m not sure how big of a generator you have but they typically don’t require as much starting amps as a diesel propulsion engine. Depending on how much discharge current is available from your house bank lithiums, you might be fine. If it was working ok before, … My 458 came from the factory set up with generator starting from the house bank but all the batteries are lead acid. It works fine even though the house bank batteries are deep cycle lead acids and not start batteries. If I ever make the jump to lithiums, I will probably keep it that way as the discharge capacity of the newer batteries and BMS’s seem to be more than enough to crank my Fischer-Panda 4k which recommends only a 28 amp-hour start battery.
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AnnSea
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Posted: 26 October 2025 at 01:24 |
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Hi Wayne, if you already have lithium and lots of solar then DC-DC is perfect. I worked with Lead Acid for 10 years and while I'm no expert I do have good hard won knowledge. Lead Acid is fine (for the price) *IF* you keep it charged up. Don't let it get below 70-80% full and you will get good life out of good quality batteries. My previous set of AGM's lasted 11 years. My current ones are 5-6 years old. Let your lithium do the cycling up and down (in charge) and your lead acid do the short sharp heavy loads then recharge them. And keep in mind that lead acid is pretty foolproof - no fancy electronics involved - they make a great emergency backup in case of BMS failures etc. The Bank Manager referred to below also seems an excellent product - if I was starting out again I would use it, Tim
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kemalgunduz
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Posted: 26 October 2025 at 07:15 |
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Consider to use Sterling Power’s Alternator to Battery charger. İt charges each battery group according to specific charging requirements
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Wayne's World
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Posted: 26 October 2025 at 21:39 |
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hanks for all the feedback.
Rick, the electrician in Sint Maarten, Adam, fixed a couple of issues introduced when the Victron dealer in Malta oversaw the fitting of our lithium house bank and the additional 3000w/120amp charger in 2019. We had problems with the original charger/inverter and Adam showed me the Malta install had used smaller size cable to connect the new inverter which was also longer than the original cable for the first unit. This all made sense to me. Whilst doing this work Adam noticed our generator was starting off the house bank (originally AGM but now lithium). His suggestion was to change this to either the engine start battery or add a separate generator start battery. Because Adam was the guru and we had worked with him for a few seasons whilst in the Caribbean I made the change. The easiest change was to start from the engine start battery. This suited me because generally I'm the "don't add extra complexity, cost or tech to a simple situation" type of guy. I thought adding a DC/DC charger to charge the engine start battery would be an easy fix to the problem of the new alternator on the generator not charging. We are now in Fiji and will not return to Aust until Oct 2026 I think the best solution would be to put up with the issue for that period and find a good electrician in Aust to sort out the charging. From what I have seen of the standard of technicians since being in Fiji I don't think I will get it fixed here. Particularly in the more remote areas we will be in. Currently when running our inverter/chargers on the generator we get about 200amps into the batteries, when running the Volvo about 100amp, solar (1465w) puts in upto 80amps and when sailing the Watt & Sea puts in about 20amps. When we fitted the original solar (1025w) I worked out we used about 250ah a day. But since then (2017) we have added an additional freezer, Starlink, extra appliances ( bread maker, air fryer etc etc) added the water heater and washing machine to the inverter circuit I think we can now use up to 450ah a day. So we increased our solar with two portable panels so we now have 1465w which on normal days works fine. But on the bad solar days we still need to run the generator. If we are running the watermaker (now 240V) we also need to run the generator. If we are filling scuba tanks we need to run the generator. So I will need to get the generator alternator charging sorted long term I can deal with in for now.
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Wayne W
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Arcadia
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Joined: 27 November 2017 Location: Sag Harbor, USA Status: Offline Points: 1112 |
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Posted: 28 October 2025 at 00:52 |
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Just an idea Wayne. I run all charging sources to my house bank including the engine alternator. Then I rewired the battery combiner unit to charge the start battery when the house bank is being charged. This is a lower tech solution than a dc/dc charger and has no parasitic draw. This way you’ll get a charge no matter what including when your genny runs via your inverter chargers. BTW, my quick thruster control died on me while on a trip a few months ango and guess what I had in the box you sent me !
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Leon / ARCADIA
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Wayne's World
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Posted: 28 October 2025 at 01:16 |
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Leon,
Great to hear the thruster parts were of use. Your low tech mod to the combiner looks like my type of option. Our house bank of lithiums get to 100% charged normally 5 out of 7 days from our solar so this option would probably work well for me. What brand of combiner did you modify and how hard is it to modify? Our tunnel bow thruster is working a treat and no issues with it since fitting it in early 2023.
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Wayne W
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Arcadia
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Posted: 28 October 2025 at 01:28 |
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I repurposed the existing Mastervolt 2502 combiner that Hanse installed at the factory. You should have or had the same but maybe removed during your lithium install. It’s a simple device that combines two battery banks when a charge voltage is sensed on either bank. Once the charge voltage is stopped, it will isolate the banks. It is simply wired between the positive posts of each bank using cable that is sized to the maximum charge current on your boat.
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Leon / ARCADIA
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