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 Posted: 03 June 2025 at 12:15 |
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from what I can tell, there is no good solution. 1. The harken big boat system (which would be sized properly) is too big to fit in the available space. 15" when you have 14" 2. The high load spinlock system is also too long, and those that have used it have had to cut off the end to make it fit. This does get rid of the extra hole. To answer the question asked: the extra hole is because the asymetrical T50-5 has 5 drill holes and the high load variant has six (due to the end also being secured). 3. I've looked at other brands (ANTAL, LEWMAR, SCHAEFER, etc.). None seem to fit in the tunnel provided or have any improvement in SWL over the spinlock. 4. Even replacing it like-for-like has its problems. From the factory, HANSE put the TC50-5A (Asymetrical) on the boat. a. If you accept the fact that you might have to replace the unit every two years (less or more depending upon how you sail), then this might be an option. The Harken system is US$1000 each and the Spinlock TC50 can be found for US$120 each. Quite a difference. b. If you buy that today, however, it comes with the black acetal sheaves and not the higher load carrying alloy sheaves. You need to upgrade the new unit by replacing all the sheaves. With 5 on each side (6 on some of your boats), and a cost of US$34 per sheave, this takes a $120 fully functioning organizer and raises its cost $300. Times two for both sides. Still better, but worth noting. I've looked at "stacking" options as well, but the tunnel complicates that. There just isn't the vertical space available to do this. If someone has made this work, I'd like to know, but for now I am sticking to single level line organizers. Still checking out options, but they seem limited to the above.
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Pzucchel
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Posted: 03 June 2025 at 17:31 |
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I bought one organiser from boatoon for 371 euros TVA included . The good news is that it was the version in alloy.. part number TBU0049.
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Posted: 03 June 2025 at 18:38 |
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Yes ,but this TBU0049 with alloy sheaves is the TC50/5 symmetric one ,longer and one extra bolt more than the T50/5 asymmetric space can be a problem.
The 50/5 asymmetric type is only available in T version with acetal sheaves and not in the stronger TC version.in the T version you have to buy extra alloy sheaves to replace the acetal ones.
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Black Diamond
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Posted: 03 June 2025 at 18:47 |
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The asymmetrical can be found for US$120 (or less) and adding $150 for alloy sheeves gets you to US$270 which seems less than your boatoon price. Especially when you add in shipping.
***and*** you would have the acetal sheaves as spares. |
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Posted: 03 June 2025 at 20:14 |
no it was identical to the one installed, including the sheaves. it's already in place...
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Black Diamond
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Posted: 06 June 2025 at 03:19 |
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Decision. There really is no other decision possible. I've researched all the options and a like-for-like replacement is really the only alternative that works. 1. The Harken does not fit. 2. The high load version of the T50 requires that you immediately cut the ends off to make it fit. 3. None of the other brands (lewmar, selden, schaefer, etc.) have any improvement in safe working load. So... I've purchased replacements of the T50 (Asymetric) as well as the alloy sheaves to give it some additional strength. This option has the benefit of just using the same bolts and tapped holes and not having to drill a new hole pattern or hire a rigger. What I have heard from many is that you can get a few years out of this before they too (inevitably) fail. My guess is that will be enough. |
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Posted: 06 June 2025 at 06:05 |
maybe there's is a way to modify the original part and make it more robust. for example , adding a plate ...the problem in my case is related to its asymmetric nature: the axes bent , locking the sheaves ...
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Posted: 06 June 2025 at 11:08 |
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That's what I am doing by adding the high load sheaves to a part which doesn't have them. Just as Hanse did. The only other thing that could be done is to buy the high load variant which, in addition to the high load sheaves) seems to have a stronger frame with bars above *AND* below the sheaves. Unfortunately, to make it fit you need to cut off the end which probably negates about 50% of the additional strength as well as voids any warranty. Obviously, this doesn't solve the problem. It just buys some time til the next failure. The basic issue is that the frame *AND* sheaves (even the high load ones) are undersized for the boat, especially when you have membrane sails and high tech halyards. Its complicated by the size of the tunnel, which restricts the length of any potential replacement organizer. You can also replace the current setup 2-3 times and still spend less money than buying something like the Harken unit (if it fit)... |
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Black Diamond
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Posted: 14 June 2025 at 17:14 |
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Finally got around to doing the work. The upgrade was just swapping the sheaves with the higher load alloy versions. The pressed on washers came off easy enough, but you need the right tools to press them back on.
I'm bringing a few of the acetal sheaves as spares just in case something happens down the road and I need a quick fix.  You need to transform the bottom into the top.  Pop off the pressed in fitting, put the new sheave in place and then press on the washer again (not so easy without the right tools).  The finished product. Mounting is easy given that they use the same holes. |
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Wayne's World
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Posted: 08 July 2025 at 22:48 |
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Ric,
We are about 280nmiles from Samoa after leave Bora Bora about 910nmiles in our wake. We had some suitable winds this morning to put up the full rig and of course the sheath in the deck organiser for the main halyard self destructed. I will try to get the aluminum replacement sheaths sent up to Fiji so I can replace all the plastic ones. Fiji will be our next destination after a few weeks in Samoa. Do you know the Selden part number for the aluminum sheaths? I can probably get them sent to Fiji from NZ or Aust. The good news is nothing else has broken.
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