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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2022 at 22:03
I have the same galley config.  Leon -- were you able to determine how to remove it to gain access underneath?  For added fun, I've got the dishwasher to contend with extra hoses and weight.  I do have a hint of diesel smell if I put my head in the compartment, but my bigger problem may be the one Piero has reported & solved: topped the full tank to 100% such that the gauge is stuck at the top.  I would like to access the gauge so that I can put a zip-tie at the top so that it can move again.

What's more, Czone and my Siren monitoring have different views of which is port vs. starboard, so I'd like to make sure I have an accurate view of which is which.
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First, the center floor panel needs to be removed. The one over the bilge pump and fuel selector valves. Then the port side floor panel over the port tank must be removed. It is screwed down to the grid, so check that you get all the screws. Check under the nav seat drawer too. That’s straight forward. Then you can slide the port panel out and remove. Then move on to the starboard panel. Pull out the large bottom galley drawer across from the oven. In that cabinet you will find several large screws attaching the cabinet to the floor panel. Remove them. Then remove the smaller screws holding the floor panel to the grid. Now, with the other two panels removed, you can slide the starboard panel out and remove.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2022 at 20:19
Ah, port side I have a slightly more complicated problem because of the custom carpentry.  So, I'll need to see how to disconnect the seating from the underframe and then hope that the panel slides out.  I'll have a tougher problem if I have to lift the seating up to get at more screws that hold the floor panel to the frame, particularly since I've got wiring running through there.


On starboard, I gather that plumbing comes through the bottom of the cabinetry, so that must mean that cabinetry is set only on the very edge of the flooring.  To remove it, I would need to disconnect the cabinet from the frame, remove the small screws which are probably hiding under the dishwasher.  That should enable me to lift the cabinet a tiny bit to slide the panel aft.



Do I have that right?  Pardon my trepidation ... I have a fear of removing something that is very difficult to align for reassembly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2022 at 14:43
Jon, your arrangement is quite different than mine, and your floors seem to be cut and arranged differently as well. However, the basic process I think would be the same. Removing and sliding several pieces would get you there, but with a bit more effort on your part. I am curious as to the origins of the custom furniture. It looks like you have a washer and fridge instead of the nav area. Did Hanse do the work?  Where did the electric panels end up? Also your dining table is very nicely done compared to the standard one. I wouldn’t mind seeing some more photos. Good Luck with the floors.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 November 2022 at 22:05
Thanks for your pointers.  Did you find the source of the odor?  Hose starting to lose its impermeable characteristics?  Or perhaps a seal I should be prepared to address?  The take apart is something I'm hoping to just do once!

As for the woodwork, the original owner had quite a lot of work done in the spring of 2019 in Barcelona.  I believe at Marina Estrella, specifically.  He thought it through very well, in my opinion, and they executed with great craftsmanship.

As for the layout, it is A1 (bow locker), B1 (master, separate shower/head), C2 (u-shape galley, except sink is on the fore part instead of centerline), D1 (bunk room), E1 (2 doubles in the stern).

Where the nav station would normally be, there is a washer/dryer on the bottom and an extra fridge on top.  Aft of those, there are two pull-outs for dry food storage containers and/or laundry or household items.



The DC panel went away, because they installed CZone.  So, all the CZone backplane wiring is located in the gap between the backside of the AC panel and the inside of the bunk room.  Rows of interface panels.  Hope I never have to looking for problems in there.  Nicely labeled (assuming it is accurate), but super tight for my gorilla hands.  Not shown, but the panel is attached via velcro/hook & loop.  I'm not sure if that's how everyone's is.  Watermaker and genset controllers are what's on the wall.


The top bunk remains, but the lower bunk was replaced with shelves.  This is mostly my tool & spares room.  This pic is from the previous owner.  At present, I have it considerably more loaded with bins of tools & spare parts.


By now, you're wondering about the nav table.  There isn't a dedicated one. Shocked Opinions are probably strong on this topic, but I've heard some had a preference to the more spacious 575 table.  In my experience on other boats, the table isn't used very often unless you count how it manages to collect piles of stuff you thought you want to locate easily.  I've tended to use the saloon table if I wanted to unfold a chart.  But that's me.  Instead, the starboard side mini table was replaced with a custom table with a lifting top to store charts, ships papers, etc. and the interior chart plotter was put on the wall.  The upper left corner of the wall is where the Czone Touch 5 controller is located for all the DC circuits.  I think all these electronics on this wall necessitated that they build out from the wall that would normally be flush with the doorway.  If I had to pick one thing, maybe I would have preferred to have the plotter mounted on a small swivel pedestal where the bending lamp is located, but I won't complain.  Under the aft seat of the nav/breakfast table, there are (4) 360 Ah Lithium batteries for a total of 1440 Ah total house batteries.  This table does not lower, though, so no saloon sleeping quarters.



As for the port side, the telescoping table was replaced by a fixed one with a little center storage for games/wine/whatever.  I can remove the floor panel at the foot of the table, but not under the aft seat.  That's where I think I'm going to have a real challenge.  Not only is it affixed to the underframe somehow, but there is wiring in there.  The top of the wood has the Fusion system, the bilge alarm, and the diesel heater controller.  Inside the backrest of the aft seat, there is a small 110v breaker panel.  The second owner had a 110v shorepower connection, a 3kw inverter-charger, and a few 110v outlets added (galley, saloon, and the bunk/work room).  Since that was done after the carpentry work, we'll see if that creates new problems for accessing the port tank.


Well -- that's the tour.

Jon
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Jon,

Looks fabulous!! Really high quality finish.

Many congratulations.

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Yes Jon, thanks for posting. You ended up with some first class joinery work.
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As to the odor, I did not find anything specific. The hoses and connections were all good, although I have heard of cases where the metal tank fittings do not seal well on the plastic tank. My best guess, is that the plastic tanks are somewhat permeable to the diesel fuel and so the entire tank surface is gassing out. Also, the diesel return line from the engine sends very hot fuel back to the tank. Eventually the tank gets noticeably warm, which causes the plastic to be even more permeable. Stainless steel would have been better. ☹️
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Originally posted by Arcadia Arcadia wrote:

As to the odor, I did not find anything specific. The hoses and connections were all good, although I have heard of cases where the metal tank fittings do not seal well on the plastic tank. My best guess, is that the plastic tanks are somewhat permeable to the diesel fuel and so the entire tank surface is gassing out. Also, the diesel return line from the engine sends very hot fuel back to the tank. Eventually the tank gets noticeably warm, which causes the plastic to be even more permeable. Stainless steel would have been better. ☹️

To tell the truth,  I don't experience any diesel fuel smell on my boat... it may be subjective,  I don't have a great smell...
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Actually, the odor is mostly under the floors in the bilge compartments and not very strong. Still, I wish it wasn’t there. The rest of the Ed boat is fine. 
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