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    Posted: 18 October 2020 at 13:36
Hello guys,

I know it's a hot topic.... A great downwind sail for the ARC and tropic circumnavigation ? Parasailor, what size?  Furling Genoa ? Furling Gennaker ? Anybody has a pole for our 575/588? I have been proposed a 6.3m pole, it is almost a mast and it scares me to death. The team will be 4x people, but only 2 to 3 expert sailors... 

Any direct experience is welcome.... 


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Hi, we are looking at entering the ARC in 2022, I had thought weíd use a Code 0 for downwind sailing so Iím interested to hear from you about your choices and why? We bought our 575 in February this year and as you can imagine we have not had too much sailing this year, originally our plan was to enter the ARC next year but we simply donít know the boat well enough yet! We will also be changing the main and self tacking jib at the end of next year, any recommendations for sail makers? 
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personally on that passage I would opt for a poled out headsail or even better, two poles out headsails! You will get far more use out of them than a code sail and they are much more manageable at night or when the wind gets up 
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I crossed canaries capt vert and west indies in 2017 with an H375.
We almost never used the furling gennaker or the asymmetric spinnaker.
The major part of the crossing was done with the jib on the pole. and this is the best solution.  
We adjusted the speed with one or two reefs.
a headsail without spinnaker pole is too fickle.
in this sea of trade winds.
the efforts on the rudder are enormous, and I advise you to make a very good revision of your bearings.
(I had problems with the upper bearing, broken screw and the simrad DD1 too).
I think that if I had a hydrovane, the rudder would have been spared and moreover it is a safety and energy saving element.

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I am installing the pole...and a 6m one is scary! Finally I opted for the tradewind sail from northsails, it seemed to me better than the bwr from elvstrom (triradial design... and colored). The hydrovane is the next reflection, emergency rudder and relief for autopilot... But how does it work on a 588?
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even with tradewind sail from northsails you will need a spinnaker pole. otherwise the sail to windward will suffer,
If you don't have one, you can pass a pulley at the end of the boom to use as a spinnaker pole, but you will inevitably have to constrain your sail to avoid tearing it.
In the trade winds the wind is often 20 to 30 knots with a sea of 2 to 4 meters. It is not possible to reduce with this kind of sail especially at night when the wind is strong.
for the hydrovane is perfectly adapted to hulls like the Hanse.  
https://hydrovane.com/stories/hanse-430e/

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I checked into this with my rigger.     Forespar says you need a 5" diameter fixed length Carbon pole with tapered ends. The telescoping poles won't cut it.

There's a fair amount to think about here. That pole is 23 feet plus long.   It would weight over 55 lbs.   It would cost about US$7-8 K. the track set up is another US$1500  plus labor to install.  Easily US$10,000.00 by the time you are done.   I'm not sure it's worth it for me.   I would think a code-zero on a roller would be far less man-handling and give you decent downwind capability.   Its also an easy setup on a 575 or 588.

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I crossed on the ARC in 2017 and experienced various wind conditions, from complete becalm to 30kts.  
I agree that the sea state is the main consideration, it gets swell from several directions at the same time, which will cause the sails to power up and drop off consistently. A pole on the windward ST is a good solution, with a second ST in the same foil, with sheet guided through the boom end.
A Code Z or A sail for the light air days is a must, or you will just drift.  
Assume you will have 15-25kts most of the way with rolly conditions, and the autohelm will be on overtime 24/7.  A windvane would be on my boat next time, but not sure they are suitable for 25 ton boats, check with manufacturers.
Luna, a 575 crossed the same year, and Iím pretty sure they ran a BWR most of the way, but had a pole for the windward side so canít get away from that.
Good luck with the crossing, and take plenty of books to read as itís a long way ;)
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I am installing the same configuration. 6m40 carbon pole, tradewind sail from northsail. Like this, I don't probably need a parasailor or gennaker. FYI the tradewind sail is two g0 glued together, I went for the heavier norlon 250 and uv paint for keeping the sail on the furling halyard... 
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