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    Posted: 03 August 2019 at 01:06
hi -

Has anyone faced an issue with salt water leaking from around the motor of their bowthruster?

I found a small amount of water in the bilge for the first time in years and tracked it back to the thruster. There’s the plastic housing it retracts into, with an integral flange that the thruster motor bolts to. There’s a small leak that has developed on the forward side of where those two mate together - maybe a couple of gallons per week, but a bit more when underway.

I tried to tighten the 4 bolts for the thruster motor, but they were all very tight.

Clearly will have to take it into the yard for any fix. But curious if anyone has any experience on the scope of the work.

Thx!

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We had a similar problem with our bow thruster and I could see it was leaking at the flange. I tightened all the flange bolts - about 30? Some were very difficult to access but eventually, after a lot of swearing and a bit of skin off my knuckles I managed to get to them all. Some bolts were tight and a few needed half - one turn. Fixed the problem and that was about 3 years ago. Check the gland housing on the deployment shaft is tight also. 
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We had similar problem on our 445 with Quick BTR185 thruster - a liter a month maybe, and only when we used the thruster. It turned out that shaft seal was leaked and it looked as if the flange leaked but upon closer investigation it was clearly above the flange - at the shaft. Further we found out that the oil from the submerged part of the gear started leaking (maybe due to some mechanical failure due to some abnormal force on the prop like the rope getting into it or some other thing) and that oil came up in the submerged thruster housing and started eating away rubber shaft seal. So first salt water that seeped inside was a bit oily and dirty and then clear salt water started coming in. Very little of it and only when used. We ended up changing the thruster.

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To resurface an old topic ... I appear to have silently suffered the bow thruster leak over the winter.  Fortunately, not in a catastrophic way ... yet.  I did not discover it until I was closing seacocks after a day of sailing and about to leave the boat for a while.



In the expanded diagram, there does not appear to be a gasket or seal in the motor-to-mounting flange.  At what point is water supposed to be kept out?  Any idea where in this diagram my next seal is that you have seen fail?  It is not #16 (the seal between the plastic housings).  #38, 46, and 51 are listed as oil seals.  Maybe those are the ones and I'm just confused that they are calling them oil seals.

If you've replaced this seal or seals, can you advise any other worthwhile parts to change?  Or should I be concerned about other parts that have now been exposed to salt water that normally aren't.  And, I'm assuming this can only be replaced when hauled out ... that the thruster door does not make a water tight seal even long enough for working.  4 bolts to get the motor off, 8 bolts for the flange.


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Hi Jon. The seal occurs below the motor shaft and flange. It happens at part #41 on your drawing which is called the drive shaft. It is separate from the motor shaft. The seal is a lip seal part #40. They eventually fail but are readily available and cheap. It needs to be done out of the water. There is another issue though. Once the seal fails, water make its way past the drive shaft and to the motor shaft under the flange. Water can seep out from the flange but can also make its way into the motor which is bad. 
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FWI, when I dealt with this problem, I took the step of carving a passage way between the flange and the housing. This way, any water that made its way past the seal would drain out below the flange and spare the motor. It would also show the problem before it got worse.
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CORRECTION. The oil seal is part #38. Part #40 is the upper bearing. It’s not a bad idea to replace the upper and lower bearings along with the seals, because once the seals fails they are exposed to salt water and will corrode. The entire assembly is available as a part and can be purchased at SVB Germany. Get the part number from Quick Italy, not Quick USA.
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Thank you so much, Leon.  Looks like I'm moving up my haul-out timeline...  I'll make a similar sacrificial drain groove for the future and hope that I got lucky this time.
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