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    Posted: 19 August 2015 at 23:28
Hi there, I have owned our Hanse 445 for 18 months now and would love to share some honest appraisals of her.
Since picking the boat up new in Croatia, March 2014 we have done 16,000 miles in her. This involved 9 months in the Med, Atlantic crossing, 3 months in the Caribbean, through the Panama canal and across the Pacific. 
The boat has proved to be a fast passage maker with solid/stiff Hull construction which at times has taken a beating in large seas.
Being wary of Chaffe protection, she's been a pleasure to sail more or less single handed. Aside from the Atlantic Crossing(4 on board) and the leg from Panama to Marquesas/Tahiti(3 on board) it has been mostly my wife and I, and she had had very little experience before hand. 
You have to be early to reef as they can feel the breeze early, but reefing is easy. Considering the mileage we have done she has stood up pretty well. We have her set up with Solar panels, extra Batteries, water maker and Helm control on the Anchor with 100 meters of Chain. Didn't want a Bow thruster.

Negatives:-
We have had early issues with Electronics, needing a new Auto pilot computer, Digital Multi Control unit and now the Stirling Battery Regulator is playing up.
The cabinetry has been bit of a let down with some Manufacturing shortcuts such as Hinges, and workmanship.
The helm Cable was vastly undersized at 5mm (snapped in the Tuamotuas) and we've renewed it to 8 mm cable.
The Jefa Auto helm is showing some wear and tear, but considering its done most of the work- 90 % of the helming, its not surprising the miles we have done. Had it apart twice and whilst it is showing some wear and tear, its still working fine.

Positives:-
The Hull construction/integrity  can not be faulted, she is a fast/slippery Hull and has been fast in both heavy and light airs. The whole boat is showing no form of movement as far as cracks, bending etc. We were hit by a Beneteau whilst at anchor in France and aside from a chip in the Gelcote and a small scratch, it did not hurt us. The Keel attachment is superbly strong showing no signs of movement. 
Having a sealed bulkhead for the Anchor Chain Locker and one for the forward sail locker means you have two water tight impact zones if you ever did hit something head on, meaning less chance of water ingress into the main part of the boat. (The sail Locker is huge!)
Ease of sailing:- She has been so easy to sail short handed and is a pleasure to handle with all lines leading into the Cockpit and winches handy to the Helm position.
Liveaboard:-Once we improved the woeful hard Mattreses, the berths have been very comfortable and the Saloon seating has been comfortable and has stood up well. The Galley fridge is a bit small for blue water cruising with 4 people, but with the added 50 Litre Camping Fridge Freezer, we have had plenty of room for everyone on board and the layout with the L shaped galley has worked well as far as cooking whilst underway.
Rigging:- The Selden rigging is simple but strong and easy to maintain, I have re-tensioned it twice myself. 
Helm/Rudder:- Light and easy on the Helm and easy to balance the boat to give you neutral Helm. it also turns in a tight circle for 45 footer.
Storage: Plenty of Stowage, soaks up so much stores and doesn't affect it. In the front of the boat aside from 450 litres of tank water, we had the main anchor with 100 meters of chain, the secondary anchor with 28 metes of chain, 120 litters of diesel in 20 litre Fuel Jugs, plus the extra sails-(2 Gennakers, one jib) and fenders. a lot of weight forward, but didn't appear to impact much on balance or performance of the boat.

Overall and value for money, once on top of some minor issues, they are a great boat!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2015 at 17:06
Great review and thanks for sharing. The weak points are not surprising to me, the boats are definitely made to a price point but with the attention going to where it's needed - hull construction and rigging. I was surprised that you didn't comment on sheaves and blocks - I found they were under sized for anything but light cruising and many of us have upgraded (e.g. mast base blocks).
 
That was quite an adventure, a lot of miles! I take it you're back home in NZ now. Anything further planned in the near future?
 
Lastly, welcome to the Hanse family!
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Hi Steve,

Blocks and winches are marginal and prob at the top skope of their capabilities, but having said that they haven't let us down in the whole time so adequate. 
Its like a lot of things that are built to suit a certain market and if you want to do more outside of those 'Market parameters'  then you need to modify some things slightly.
The main aspects are the important things are done well on them.

Cheers, by the way, haven't made it home yet, still sitting in Fiji soaking up the sun, too cold in NZ!

John Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2015 at 18:16
Originally posted by Falshator 61 Falshator 61 wrote:

Hi Steve,

Cheers, by the way, haven't made it home yet, still sitting in Fiji soaking up the sun, too cold in NZ!
John Smile
 
Such a life John! ;) I'm jealous, safe adventures....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Samtutuki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 August 2015 at 12:49
Nice post. Thanks. We have had our 445 for about as long although no where near the miles you have down.

Yes the mattresses are hard. How did you address that? We are considering 50mm of memory foam.

We are having issues with the goose neck assembly. Clearances way to large and lots of wear with accompanying noise. In a similar vein we have changed all the main sheet attachments to the boom with soft shackles- much quieter. Similarly the topping lift which on our boat was attached with a shakle. Of course the topping lift is generally loose so the racket from the SS shackle on the boom end fitting was really annoying.

Another area of disappointment is the fibre glass covers over halyards and sheets as they are brought aft to the cockpit. I love the ease of handling that this arrangement provides but when walking in the deck over these components there is a continual squeak. Tightening the screws regularly has no effect. Have you had a similar problem and have you solved it.

For all that she sails really well and we are very satisfied. Enjoy Fiji.
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Hi Samtutuki,

 The Mattresses, we put Topper Pads on to elevate the hardness, will get Inner Sprung ones made in NZ.

 The Gooseneck on ours is showing some wear and will address this when back in NZ. It has done some miles and a lot of those are in light winds that incidentally do more damage than you realise with back-winding on the main. We had to drop the main to stop this and run with the Gennaker on its own several times in light airs.

The Fibreglass covers over the Lines, well we try not to walk on them to be honest as they do 'creak'. The Cabin Top on the inside of this and the side is what I walk on.

'She's a hard road to fine the perfect Woman, or Boat for that matter' haha

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Originally posted by Falshator 61 Falshator 61 wrote:

The Fibreglass covers over the Lines, well we try not to walk on them to be honest as they do 'creak'...
 
If they are built the same way as the 400, they will eventually start to crack in the area where the lines enter the cover near the mast. In this area they should be strengthened by glassing in a piece of metal to provide more strength where the opening is. Perhaps they have done this already on newer models.
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HI, 

Thanks for a great review. 


My partner and I are setting off on circumnavigation in a Hanse 445 this spring and I was wondering if you had any tips with regards to equipment upgrades. E.g. how many reefs did you put in the main, what kind of watermaker, etc. Or is there anything you wish you set your boat up with? 

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Axel 
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When you ask questions in 7 years old topics, you need to check if the sailors are still around in the myhanse Universe.
Rubatos last visit was over a year ago, because he sold his H400 and now owns a motoryacht.
Falshator61 was last logged in on May 12 2019, and I doubt he will see your question. A PM may reach him, if the e-mail is still in function.
In "Members Profile" you can find this information, and send a Private Message (PM).
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We have had our 445 for 18 months. We love the boat. A number of items have broken but none were Hanse. Items like the wind meter, auto pilot motor, etc. The boat is a dream to sail and the upgrades we made such as new soft rigging, soft shackles, a sail and efoy have dramatically improved performance and our enjoyment. Our next upgrade will be the house bank. It's very strong in a breeze and comfortable. We did put a foam cell pad on the master suite bed as the upgraded mattress  was too firm. I wouldn't have asked for any design changes from Hanse but they could have put more stout components on such a strong boat. Also the new style retractable davit system would top it off.
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