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mjo 
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 Topic: adjusting genoa cars from cockpitPosted: 28 September 2023 at 12:27 |
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Hi, on my 301 the genoa lead cars (correct wording?) are basic ones, I need to go there to change their positions. Have you guys implemented solutions to do this from the cockpit? Best Martin
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Posted: 29 September 2023 at 03:10 |
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Hi Martin,
I don’t know if my experience with my 2006 h400 will help you but since you haven’t heard from any 301 owners yet I’ll pass it on. I had the pin-stop leads for 16 years and finally replaced them with ball bearing cars last spring. The cars were not cheap but my original cars were wearing out so it was a good time to switch, and it is much more convenient with these cars. I have Harken tracks and only needed to remove the end stops, replace the cars and install end controls, turning blocks and cam cleats. The end controls fit with the existing holes for the end stops so I only had to drill holes for the turning blocks and cleats. I positioned those at the forward end of the cockpit lockers so I could bolt through the fibreglass. The key is to find cars and end controls that are compatible with the existing tracks. Owen
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Posted: 29 September 2023 at 22:50 |
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As a 301 owner I’ll contribute. Yes you can and should change the basic pin stop cars for towable ones. Unfortunately I don’t have any photos but the local marine engineers swapped the cars out for towable Barton ones (fit the same track) about 10 years ago. The tow lines can be led back to cleats installed on the coaming. A simple, seamanlike and easy modification.
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Posted: 01 October 2023 at 13:29 |
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Thanks, Huw. What was the difference betweeen Pfeiffer and Barton? Bearings? Best Martin
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Posted: 01 October 2023 at 13:31 |
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Thanks, Owen, I'll figure out a setup öike this with an endless contolling line an cam cleat probably. best Martin
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Posted: 01 October 2023 at 17:36 |
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You might want to have some purchase on the controlling line which I don’t think you can achieve with an endless line. I have two sheaves on the end control and one sheave plus becket on the car for 3:1 purchase. It depends how much you’re willing to let the sail flog when pulling the car forward. With some purchase on the control line you can keep the sail loaded while adjusting.
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Posted: 01 October 2023 at 17:56 |
 
The drawing is from the Harken website and matches my setup. The picture shows the control line turning block and cam cleat which are bolted through to the interior of the cockpit locker. Not sure if this would be similar on your boat but the line is convenient and comes over the cockpit coaming and tucks under the sprayhood.
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Posted: 01 October 2023 at 18:01 |
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Posted: 01 October 2023 at 18:26 |
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Hi Martin, This
is the setup I put together on Dragonfly. I used the original track and
cars. I took the cars off, drilled out the plungers and used a 6mm bolt
and nylock nut to secure a couple of blocks to the cars. There is a
deck mounted block at the forward end on a spacer and a bullseye at the cockpit end.
Don't forget to use a good sealant when screwing into the deck. A single cam cleat finishes it off. Very useful with the overlapping
Genoa and also the smaller headsail when I’m not using the self tacker. I never found the need for a line to pull the car back, just a couple of tugs on the genoa sheet usually does that. This saw a lot of heavy use when I used to race Dragonfly and has not caused any problems.   Pete
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Posted: 01 October 2023 at 18:42 |
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I agree with Pete, you shouldn't need anything to pull the car astern. The tension on the sheet will do that. Moving the car aft effectively eases the sheet, so the sail will happily do that for you. Moving the car forward effectively trims the sheet so it takes some work, and if close-hauled you will need to ease the sheet (at the winch) first or else the car won't move forward because the sail is already tight.
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