Solar panel installation.

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   Hi guys we are getting our Hanse 460 at the and of May from Portoroz Slovenia! We'd like to install Solar Panels on the hardtop and are looking at our options in Adriatic /Ionian.  We will be heading south slowly slowly to Greece.  Although we have a generator, we plan to install Solar panels as soon as possible to the top of hard top. We have one offer from Portoroz but we found it quite expensive.  Welcoming your recommendations:1. Is there any recommendation for solar panel instalation along this route?
2. Does anyone have ideas or info about hard panels mounted on a hardtop?  (Typically we see only soft flexipanels sticking to hardtop). 
3. Any ideas on installing them ourselves (?)
4. Any info you can share about specs that work for you (panel sizes, mppt and connections) all would be helpful.

thanks!

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Sahinsair Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 14 January 2023 Location: Kaş Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sahinsair Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Solar panel installation. Posted: 10 May 2024 at 22:13
	Hi guys we are getting our Hanse 460 at the and of May from Portoroz Slovenia! We'd like to install Solar Panels on the hardtop and are looking at our options in Adriatic /Ionian. We will be heading south slowly slowly to Greece. Although we have a generator, we plan to install Solar panels as soon as possible to the top of hard top. We have one offer from Portoroz but we found it quite expensive. Welcoming your recommendations: 1. Is there any recommendation for solar panel instalation along this route? 2. Does anyone have ideas or info about hard panels mounted on a hardtop? (Typically we see only soft flexipanels sticking to hardtop). 3. Any ideas on installing them ourselves (?) 4. Any info you can share about specs that work for you (panel sizes, mppt and connections) all would be helpful. thanks!

mr-ludi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 25 September 2022 Status: Offline Points: 152	Post Options Post Reply Quote mr-ludi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 May 2024 at 07:26
	I will do it on my own in the first two weeks of June. I bought semi flexible panels from Wattstunde. https://www.wattstunde.de/produkte/solarmodule/efx.html I have six 125Wp panels and two times 65Wp which makes a total of 880Wp.

S&J Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 30 August 2014 Location: Perth WA / Med Status: Offline Points: 1371	Post Options Post Reply Quote S&J Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2024 at 05:56
	I have a 458 and have 2x120W on my foredeck plus 2x85W on the side decks. These are semi flexible and clearly suffer from some shading from the mast and sails. I get a max of 1.6kW per day. Last year I decided to install a solar arch with 2x210W rigid panels. Since then I have not used any shore power and don't think I have actually used the max energy (3.5kW?) I am capable of harvesting. Whist the semi-flexible panels may be more aesthetically pleasing, they are much more expensive and I believe they will have a shorter life. Rigid panels will generally perform better as they will run cooler with an air gap under them. With a hard Bimini, I would definitely investigate getting rigid panels mounted into an aesthetically pleasing frame. I can recommend Victron products for shunt and MPPT controllers. I installed all this myself. The major issue is running cables through the hull. Plenty of pictures of my installation elsewhere on other posts.
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Joel Scarr Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 14 May 2013 Location: Cayman Island Status: Offline Points: 46	Post Options Post Reply Quote Joel Scarr Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2024 at 03:21
	We've got over 1.1Kw on our 445, 4 panels on the dinghy davit/arch and 3 panels on the hard top. All rigid panels with air gap under. On the hard top the panels are mounted on 2 lengths of 20x40 RHS aluminium and the wiring run down the forward upright. Here's a few pics: Edited by Joel Scarr - 13 May 2024 at 03:37

Sahinsair Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 14 January 2023 Location: Kaş Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sahinsair Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2024 at 22:40
	Is anybody know the size of Hanse 460 hard top.. And if we use rigid panels do you think it looks good? I would love if somebody use it and send the pictures. Edited by Sahinsair - 15 May 2024 at 23:04

Sahinsair Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 14 January 2023 Location: Kaş Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sahinsair Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2024 at 22:56
	Hi Ludi. Did you compile this list for expecially the measurements of Hanse 460 Hardtop.? We don't have boat yet and we need to order the panels. We have searched for exact measurements of the haed top. But havent found them. Do you think that brand is good ?

mr-ludi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 25 September 2022 Status: Offline Points: 152	Post Options Post Reply Quote mr-ludi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2024 at 06:45
	It‘s especially for the size of the 460 hardtop. But it‘s still theoretically, because I haven’t installed it yet. But I have tried it with templates in the shipyard of Hanse, and it should fit. After doing some research, Wattstunde seems to be a manufacturer with good quality and panels in the right dimensions.

Sahinsair Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 14 January 2023 Location: Kaş Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sahinsair Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2024 at 20:57
	Thank you Ludi, I have talk some company's in Portoroz and waiting for quotes..One of them quite expensive..he said that Cables are coming down from inside of iron leg of hardtop. I was dreaming there is hole inside of arc. But I learned that there is not. I wonder is there enough space to bring Cables to the Batery area .

mr-ludi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 25 September 2022 Status: Offline Points: 152	Post Options Post Reply Quote mr-ludi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2024 at 21:06
	Yes, the cable from the hardtop have to fit into the little stainless steel support. But you will only need 2x 4mm2 on each side. That should be ok…

Sahinsair Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 14 January 2023 Location: Kaş Status: Offline Points: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sahinsair Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 June 2024 at 22:42
	We bought the following products from a victron dealer in Portoroz. But unfortunately we couldn't find anyone to install it on the boat. We bought 5 panel 2× 160 and 1x 100 semi flex Nds brand for front. 2x155 for the sides. and 2x100/50 mppt, 1 Multiplus 2, 12/3000 invertör. 1 victron battery monitör and Cerbo. They could only give us a very expensive appointment 1 month later. We bought the products and hope to find someone to install them on the way, probably in Montenegro. Urgently As needed, we temporarily glued 2 × 155 W panels to the deck using 3M double-sided tape. We also moved it to the battery area from the rear toilet side window and mounted it on Victron 100/50 mppt. We are currently producing 1.6 kwa per day. After this experience, we gained confidence in mounting on a hardtop, but I need to find answers to 2 questions. 1. How will we use or attach the panels to the hardtop? 2. Where can we pass the cables from the hard top to the rear cabins to the WC and reach the batteries? İs anybody has a plan?



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