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    Posted: 24 June 2024 at 10:01
Hi,

finally I got a Selden furler for my Genoa sail. The reefing line is running through blocks attached to the stanchions. Now I am looking for a good solution to be fixed on the pushpit. I found this in the web: 

Stanchion Swivel Block with Cleat SB-25C
Unfortunately not here available.
Any other solutions / ideas?

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Is this a solution requested for a 301?

Furling lines on stanchions are 💯 a bad idea on any boat. Lead the furling line in as straight a line possible from a coachroof clutch forward to a deck tidy which presents a correct angle to the drum. This will never involve the stanchions. Mine goes from a coachroof clutch to a deck tidy near the mast and straight to the drum. This allows a) a much better effective angle of effort when furling by hand and b) in heavy winds, furling with the assistance of the coachroof winches. People will tell you never to do the latter; they are wrong, let them huff and puff over their stanchion lines. As long as your top swivel is well maintained and is moving when you winch the furling line, you are fine.

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That looks fairly fragile and I have a feeling it will get bent, come loose or get broken pretty quickly. On dragonfly I have a cam cleat bolted through the deck near the stern and a block to lead the furling line cleanly to the cam cleat. I’d add that after sailing I also make the furling line secure by taking a couple of turns round the nearby stern cleat so there’s no danger of the line accidentally coming out of the cam cleat when moored. I’m in the furling line along the stanchion camp as it’s worked well for me and keeps that line from crossing the foredeck, and it’s easy to furl single handed with the tiller between my knees and the sheet in my other hand, but Bitbaltic also makes a good case for running it to the deck clutches. 
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Originally posted by Bitbaltic Bitbaltic wrote:

Is this a solution requested for a 301?

Furling lines on stanchions are 💯 a bad idea on any boat. Lead the furling line in as straight a line possible from a coachroof clutch forward to a deck tidy which presents a correct angle to the drum. This will never involve the stanchions. Mine goes from a coachroof clutch to a deck tidy near the mast and straight to the drum. This allows a) a much better effective angle of effort when furling by hand and b) in heavy winds, furling with the assistance of the coachroof winches. People will tell you never to do the latter; they are wrong, let them huff and puff over their stanchion lines. As long as your top swivel is well maintained and is moving when you winch the furling line, you are fine.

Hope this helps.

With the greatest of respect may I suggest 
If you are winching the furling line on a small jib like the 301's then it is you that do not have it right. The idea of running along the stanchions is to keep it clear of any deck work & the anchor locker. On my 311 it lines up perfectly with my old Facnor furler & my new Profurl furler


Edited by samuel - 26 June 2024 at 07:41
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Thanks for you replies so far.
Let me answer to some points:

I want do keep the line at the stanchions, because lifelines, preventer and jib sheet are already there on the deck between anchor locker and cabin hatch. 
I managed to get an acceptable angle to the drum by fixing a stachion block at the pulpit, I will improve this with a friction ring at the toerail. 

Operating the furler in this setup works well w/o using a winch. Easy clamping and releasing of the line so far is not possible. I tried it with a Talamex plastic clamp to be fixed on the pushpit, unfortunately it doesn't stay stable.
@sailingfree: Would you mind to send a picture of your setup?
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Hi mjo, here is a picture of my setup. I use my left hand to furl and my right to keep some tension on the jib sheet. The cam cleat does not have a fairlead so I can pull directly in line with the pulley mounted on the pushpit. 

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I use a Spinlock spinacker block. It works like a charm.

For the stancion blocks I use Harken HK7403 blocks. With this solution the furler line runs outside of the stancions taking up less deck space.


Edited by Kox - 29 June 2024 at 07:41
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Originally posted by samuel samuel wrote:

Originally posted by Bitbaltic Bitbaltic wrote:

Is this a solution requested for a 301?

Furling lines on stanchions are 💯 a bad idea on any boat. Lead the furling line in as straight a line possible from a coachroof clutch forward to a deck tidy which presents a correct angle to the drum. This will never involve the stanchions. Mine goes from a coachroof clutch to a deck tidy near the mast and straight to the drum. This allows a) a much better effective angle of effort when furling by hand and b) in heavy winds, furling with the assistance of the coachroof winches. People will tell you never to do the latter; they are wrong, let them huff and puff over their stanchion lines. As long as your top swivel is well maintained and is moving when you winch the furling line, you are fine.

Hope this helps.

With the greatest of respect may I suggest 
If you are winching the furling line on a small jib like the 301's then it is you that do not have it right. The idea of running along the stanchions is to keep it clear of any deck work & the anchor locker. On my 311 it lines up perfectly with my old Facnor furler & my new Profurl furler

Who says it’s small jib? It’s a 110% laminate Genoa running on a furlex.

If you tie one of those off to your stanchions and ask your wife to get after it to windward in a F7 you might change your setup too ;)

If you set the 301 up the way it was intended to be sailed with a jib on the self tacker, you’ll have a line over the anchor locker anyway.

Do t get me wrong, 99% of the time we girl by hand just like people with stanchion setups do. But on those rare occasions when that’s hard, we have a winch right next to the line, so have an immediate solution; stanchion setups generate the ‘what now, skipper?’ question in those circumstances.

Got a nice Hunter Channel next to me in the marina with the exact same setup.




Edited by Bitbaltic - 04 July 2024 at 21:18
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Originally posted by Kox Kox wrote:

I use a Spinlock spinacker block. It works like a charm.

For the stancion blocks I use Harken HK7403 blocks. With this solution the furler line runs outside of the stancions taking up less deck space.


Hej Kox,
thanks for this post - I went for this solution, which is working very well.

Best regards from Hamburg,
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To those who use a winch I would say that you need to use better technique.  Regardless of wind speed you can easily hand furl the jib by going downwind.  The jib is then de-powered as well as being blanketed by the main.
We have no problems hand furling our 40m2 jib with lines on the stanchions.
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