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    Posted: 21 May 2008 at 12:17

Hi,

My name is Bjørn Ludvigsen and I’m co owner of a Hanse 350 placed at Bohus-Malmön, Sweden.

I’we read about Bjoris’s debut at the regatta scene with the 350, and I wondered how you attach the gennaker (tack line) at the bow? Do you have a bow sprit (gennaker pin)?

We ordered the anchor windlass and a gennaker package from the Swedish dealer for our 350 #78. When taking delivery of our new boat in Greifswald at the 29th of April, Hanse told us that they didn’t have a standard bow sprit (gennaker pin) ready for Hanse 350 yet. We were a bit disappointed because we were quite eager to test the gennaker on our trip back to Sweden. Hanse told us that we could attach the gennaker to the bow roller, and they drilled a 10mm hole at the starboard side to let us use a snatch block. When testing this solution in 3 m/s wind the bow roller flexed quite a bit and we felt that we had to take the gennaker down in order not to damage the bow roller.

I wonder if the reason for not having a standard bow sprit is due to our bow roller for the anchor windlass or maybe our early slot number (I think it is the 67th Hanse 350 produced)?

Are there any Hanse 350s delivered to customers with a standard gennaker pin or at least a standard bow fitting for a gennaker pin?

We are generally very happy about the boat and we did not experience any major problems on our sailing trip from Greifswald to Sweden. We obviously have short list of shortcomings, and we too have experienced the same problem with a broken hose between the water pressure pump and the bathroom sink (luckily we were in the cabin when it happened).



Edited by bjornludvigsen - 22 May 2008 at 11:19
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Bjørn Ludvigsen

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Hi,
 
This is the gennaker attachment on the bow of our 350 #144. It has not been tried yet!
 
 
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This gennaker pin is available in the Hanse UK shop : http://www.hanseyachts.co.uk/shopproducts.asp?catidid=12&tot=&qty=
I am not too sure on how it attaches.
 


Edited by Conundrum - 21 May 2008 at 13:22
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Thank you Conundrum,

Is it just welded to the standard forestay fitting? Did you do this yourself or did the local dealer or Hanse do it?

The problem with the standard gennaker pin from the Hanse shop is that our 350 don’t have the standard pin fittings at the stem – so we are not able to attach it.

The first demo boats of Hanse 350 had this fitting, but in Greifswald Hanse told us that we had to wait 2-4 months for a fitting for today’s 350s. I'm not sure whether it’s possible to install this after production of the boat or not.

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Hi,
 
If you search the 311-forum, you will find a topic with in detail information on how to setup a gennaker.
 
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Yes, it is welded on, I assume that is how it came from Hanse. The gennaker was supplied and setup by our dealer who is also a sailmaker. The photo was taken on the first day we got her.
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Conundrum,
 
I would be interested in seeing how your tack line is run back to the cockpit as I am about to install a gennaker-setup shortly.
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Originally posted by Fun & Function Fun & Function wrote:

Conundrum,
 
I would be interested in seeing how your tack line is run back to the cockpit as I am about to install a gennaker-setup shortly.
 
It has not been tried yet, but goes straight back accross the deck and self tacker track (when in use) to the top of the cabin.
 
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An alternative that works very well is to attach the genaker to a spinaker pole. The main advantage is that you have more posibilities to trim the genaker. Of course you need to have a spinaker pole. I just bought ours and I am very happy with it. I use it for both the genua 2 and the genaker.

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We fly ours using a quick release block connected through a small hole on the bow roller - i thought thats what the small hole was for?
 
Not the best piccy I know... but the tack line is simply cleated off on the portside cleat until I figure out how to rig it back to the cockpit.
 

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Thank you all for good advice!

To Br00tus:

I’m not sure I understand what hole in the bow roller that you use. We have the same bow roller as Conundrum shows in his picture. One of the Hanse guys drilled a 10mm hole 3-4 cm in front and above the hole where the securing bolt is located on the starboard wall of the bow roller (you can see the bolt on the picture in Conundrum’s post).

Because the walls of the bow roller are rather thin, the bow roller wall twists quite a lot when the wind pressure increases. I’ve considered using a block directly at the bolt in order to apply pressure to both walls, not just one, but I’m afraid that the bolt will get stuck if it is bent by the gannaker pressure.

One other concern is that the bow roller is constructed to withstand being pulled down, but using a gennaker will definitely pull the bow roller up, even though it seems like the bow roller is fitted quite well to the stern and the forestay fitting.



Edited by bjornludvigsen - 21 May 2008 at 20:02
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