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    Posted: 20 January 2010 at 21:01
Hello,

I like to ask forum members to share their experience and views on Hanse 301 performance in rough weather condition. I would expect that combination of light displacement, short keel, round bottom and ruder type would make it difficult to stay on course.

I am considering buying a second-hand 301 and high seas performance is my main concern... I would appreciate if centre of gravity, centre of buoyancy, angel of vanishing stability specification can be shared. Many thx.

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Hi Krzysztof
with a draught of 1.68 m she is by no means shalow, and stability should not be a problem. However with a large main sail compared with the self tacking jib, reefing early is to maintain directional control is important.
 
Hope this helps Andrew
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I sail out of Peel and Douglas in the Isle of Man. Plenty experience in rough seas. The secret is to reef early, 1st reef at around 16 Knotts, 2nd reef at 26knotts. Havnt had to use the 3rd reef yet. Generally stay at home if its that bad. I have found no problem with stability close hauled or off the wind. The spray hood is a must.
Hope this helps
 
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Hi,
I am a rookie in sailing and have similar question;
I have a 301, normal main sail and 130% genoa, and don t have a feeling yet how to sail in 15, 20, 25 knots? (Otherwise, I am a quite good windsurfer)
Len said that he reef at 16 and 26, but just with main sail or genoa also?
Is it possible to have a knock down in 20 kn, and did someone expirience that with 301. I have a iron keel and draught 185cm and sailing on Adriatic sea. Thanks for help,
Ales
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Hi All,
I sail out of Barmouth with my 301, and usually sail between Ireland ( so far Dublin a few times, Carlingford Lough) and Isle of Man ( Port St. Mary), i have a short keel but it is fitted with a wing, this usually sails just a s well as a full fin keel but it allows me to get out of Barmouth, across the Sand Bar before the others, and at times get in earlier than others so i get the first beer, as it is the last in buys the round. LOLLOLLOL
I have a self tacker, 130% Genoa and the stand main with 3 reef points.
Yes it is a fairly light weight boat, compared to others of the same length, for example some of the Westerlies.
I don't think this is to much of a down side, I am out in the same winds as they are, yes I have to reef early but I still go faster even under reefed main.  I usually sail S/H so usually have the Self tacker on, and I, as a rule of thumb put my first reef in at 18-23 knts, but this is so dependent on sea state, point of sail, etc and yes I have used my 3rd reefing point with great effect, and she still handled well. Thumbs%20Up
In 2008 i nearly had a knock down, as on the way over to Dublin we had winds of 0 to 5 knts but there was a F8 on the way but we expected to be tucked away safely in Dublin by the time it arrived, but like all best laid plans it went "pear shaped", and it came early and we got hit hard just as we entered Dublin Bay, lucky we still had our one reef in from the night shift ( just in case), it was exciting but we were not worried.
 
To say what speed you reef in is very subjective and it so depend on the person/persons onboard at the time, and as mentioned, sea state and point of sail. 
As to how good a 301 is in heavy weather, we can all pontificate and say how good they are, but it is down to again what people mean by heavy weather and what they expect.
For me and for my kind of sailing my 301 does me proud and I would not swap her for anything, except for Hackmans 342 or Panos's 630, but that is only because they have a shower on board and I think Panos may have a bigger heads.Big%20smile 
Anyway I am sure the post on here will give you some idea as to whether a 301 is the boat for you.
Happy choosing and sailing what every you decide.
DaveBig%20smile


Edited by holby - 29 June 2010 at 21:39
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HiGeek,
thanks for your post, we normaly don t have big wawes on Adriatic sea, 1 or 2 meters, but we have pretty gusty wind NW(Bura), and I sail with my girlfriend, so mostly I am alone for all the work(she can grab a wheel for a while or takes down the sail, but she is learning). I know that nobody can say what and how, I would like to be safe with my 301. I have totaly other filling with windsurf(we start in 20 knots till 50knShocked).
So lets say, generallySmile,
genoa 130 %+main sail till 16kn-18kn(i allready try it, it was sharp angle), first reef and genoa from 17kn-20kn, first reef without genoa 20kn-25kn, second reef till..? and third reef...(have not mounted yetConfused) What do you do in storm 35kn+?
Aha and my main is full battened.
ThanksHug,
 AlesGeek

p.s. Is it possible to get fence in the water or is that already a knockdown, what is the angle that 301 can take


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With regards to my last post, i have to say it is not good practice to even make general statements, as to do that will create a false sense of security. 

From my point of view and I am no expert, it is a question  of prepare for the worst and let out reefs once you are happy with the situation.  i.e. even in very light winds at night, on a cruise, I will put a reef in, just in case, and shake it out in the morning.
 
Sea state and point of sail, and many other things need to be taken into account, together with personal comfort and safety, so wind speed is not usually what I go by.
 
What I do when cruising, is watch my clinometer and when heeling more than about 15 deg then reef, I find I go just as fast. If after one reef I am still heeling more than 15 deg then I reef again. 
My view is that when cruising, I still want to eat and drink and if heeling more than about 15 deg it is harder to do these things. 
 
Even with this rule of thumb you still need to feel what is happening.
 
Mind you though I am sure there are many who think my approach is that of a wimp, but who caresWink
 
I would worry about going for a sail with someone who tries to have set sail patterns for set wind conditions.Unhappy
 
With regards to the angle that a 301 will take, if you email Hanse yachts in Germany I am sure they will have the figure.
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With reference to sailing in winds  35 knts and above, -  have a look at this link, http://www.landlpardey.com/storm-tactics-video-dvd.html . I find the information very interesting and some people I have spoken to swear by their tactics, I have yet to try them in " anger" as they say, but what they talk about does make sense. I have seen the whole vides and read the book. 
Dave


Edited by holby - 01 July 2010 at 10:07
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Thanks for your post, link is very intresting, and so are all your informations.Thumbs%20Up
I hope that some more posts will come, about sough sailing with 301,
thanks again,
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Hi, just to add my 2pence worth. As has been said before - it all depends, but over the past 3 years I have found that when racing with good sails that can be shaped and flattened, up to 20 knots with the full main is fine. Lots of backstay tension, outhaul, cunningham etc. Over that then a reef in the main up to about 28 then a second reef in the main.

The genoa gets rolled away slightly as the wind goes over 18 knots apparent as well.

However when cruising by myself or with a non racing crew, I tend to put a reef in if things stay over 15 knots, just to keep the boat on the level, and stay comfortable.

I must say that since getting new sails in hydranet I don't need to reef as early as I did when I had the original baggy sails the boat came with, so good sail makes a real difference.

BTW here is a link to a picture taken last winter during a race when we were caught out with over 40  knots over the deck in Poole harbour.

http://www.sailingscenes.co.uk/details.php?gid=&sgid=&pid=35824

Mind you, this is all about wind. Rough seas can be a different thing altogether and you don't need a lot of wind to have rough conditions as anyone who sails near headlands can testify. I do find that large seas slow Dragonfly down a lot and can make life very uncomfortable. Larger, heavier boats I have found often take the rough stuff better and don't get stopped so often.
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