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    Posted: 28 February 2011 at 11:19
Hello all and welcome to this new Topic!
Thanks to the Webmaster and all who thought this was a good idea!

Well I will start this topic as I need your thoughts; all of you who have been sailing much longer than I have and know the Med well.

I will be picking up my 470 from Malta on the 2nd of June and will sail to Lebanon.
I decided to pick up my family in Greece around the 10th of June and take time to enjoy sailing my new boat.

My question:

1- The first week of sailing, I have the option of sailing directly to Greece, or go to Sicily then around the South coast of Italy then to Greece.
I have at least one week, so I could take my time.
What would you recommend as route and where to stop along the way.

2- Where to pick up the family and what is the nicest route through Greece (Islands) then Turkey to get to Cyprus then Lebanon. (Meltemi?)

Any comments, advice, experience is welcome!

Thanks

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Hi,

10 days are barely  enough to sail from Malta to the Aegean, if the weather is unstable (as it is in June). I suggest you sail directly to Pylos (southwest of Peloponnese Greece which is a very safe Harbor and marina and as such a perfect landing point after your first passage. Then you can sail to Mιlos (southeast Aegean sea) . The golf and harbor of Mιlos are very safe and there you can pick up your family since it has a good connection to Athens.


Once you are in Mιlos all Aegean and the Turkish coast are easily accessible by island hopping. Dont underestimate the difficulty of the Med and the Aegean. The wind is unpredictable and gusty and the waves short and steep. Also the harbors and few Marinas crowded and sometimes gusty. But it is possibly one of the best place on earth for sailing and vacations.


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Hiram, what a joy to see that your splendid idea about a cruising forum came into flesh so soon after you cracked the idea!

While not being able to answer your questions I am happy to see that the forum now hosts a member from Lebanon. I for one have not heard about a Hanse owner from Lebanon before but this community seems to extend further and further. I am very excited about it.

I live in a less exciting country covered in ice and snow but I will contribute to the cruising forum as soon as it melts.

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Hiram,
Well done to you and the Webmaster for starting this new section in the forum.
Sadly i have no knowledge of cruising in your area but I will watch and read with great interest, as my area of Cruising is in the Irish Sea, and hopfully this year cruising the west coast of Scotland.
Please keep us posted.
Thank you again for your suggestion of a cruising section, I think it will be a great success.
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Hiram,
Panos have right about Pilos unfortunaly he also have right about the Aegean sea, in the summer when the Meltemi  blows, most of the time from the northwest to northeast, the sea can be very confused.
From the Peloponnises peninsula to Milos can be hard to beat in this winds, a alternative route is heading to Crete then Karpatos,Chalki and then going down on the Turkish coast (Marmaris,Göcek) up to Cyprus.Most of the time on this route the Melteni is not so strong any more like in the middle Aegean.
But you will miss a few nice Greece islands and if you are lucky there is now Meltemi at all.
After Pilos and Kalamata(Peloponessis) and Agios Nicolaos (Crete) do not expect too much of the greek marinas in the Cyclades till you reach Kos Marina.
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Well ,Hiram I plan to you a quick cross to sicily as much as I know you won't like to sail much at first step.So the ideal is to go to syracuse ,then you cross to pilos wich is a nice spot and go over the peloponese wich is nice and beautiful or going north to lefaka wich is great also and go thru the corinthe cannal " a great experience "
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Hi,

The proposed route from jlskipper is the safest,easiest and the one preferred by most Greeks crossing to Malta, Italy and West Med. But takes longer than 10 days (probably 2 weeks) so I do not suggest it. A professional skipper (not interested in sightseeing and vacations) would stop overnight in Syracuse-Lefkas-Trizonia-Aigina (near Athens). 5 to 6 days in total not counting waiting because of bad weather.



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Panos, JL and "Wild",

Thanks a lot for the information. I think I will then take 3 weeks, plus or minus, to get to Beirut. I would like to stop as much as possible and have real meals, lunches or dinners, but not necessarily visit towns or sites. My goal is to get as much experience as possible sailing, and enjoy my new boat! Seeing the natural beauty of the countries I'm passing by would be nice. (tasting the wine is also important!)
So would you guys then recommend JL's route?
Anything extra en route you would also recommend as marinas, restaurants?
Panos, I saw pictures of you racing, beautiful yacht, my plan is to get a 630e after honing my skills on the 470.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wild Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 March 2011 at 11:52
hello Hiram,
 
I dont know how much experience you and your family have in sailing.
From Malta via Corinthe canal to Beirut = 1.250 miles less or more in direct lines. Every day 7 hours of sailing makes arround max 60 miles a day, so you need min 21 days on sea.Leaving and entering a marina or bay, every day take time, sometime more than you expect.Bunkering of food, drinks, fuel etc. take time.If your family is not used of sailing 7 hours every day it will by not a very pleasant vacation for them.After a day for more than 7 hours in a bad sea, the will be not happy to start again early in the morning the next, the next and the next day.I hope for you they are used to live aboard for a longer period and enjoy this maidentrip.
In this season I count on 5-6 days you will need shelter for bad weather makes 27 days.
I gess you will make some longer trips(+24 H) and spend less time in the restaurants and wine bars I think. Confused 
With a sailboat you know when you leave, you never know when you arrive!!!! 


Edited by Wild - 06 March 2011 at 11:57
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Wild, I think you have a very good point and you explained it well.

I don't know how many of you keep a paper-and-pen log book. I do, even if it tends to more of a diary than a log book as such. At the end of the year I sum up all the sailed and motored distances, nights spent aboard etc. It gives quite some interesting information.

Even if I think a regular sailing day means a sailed distance between 30 and 40 M with time given for a long breakfast, a walk with the ship's dog and dinner in the next harbour the average distance is much shorter.

I usually spend two month aboard during the summer and the sailed distance divided by the total number of days (including days with too much wind, too little wind and days I remain in harbour for whatever reason) is no more than 17 M. I use that figure for planning. In ten days I don't plan to get much further than 170 M. If I planned for longer distances I would have to rush and that would take the fun out of sailing.

Not to say anything about Hiram's plans, but to give some food for thought from a lazy Swede.

Johan



Edited by Johan Hackman - 06 March 2011 at 13:41
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