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    Posted: 25 March 2013 at 21:31
I have connected the SimNet N2K network to a laptop down below for monitoring/logging via an Actisense N2K to USB converter. 

The SimNet includes an NSS8 chartplotter, IS20 wind, speed and multi instruments with sensors plus radar, autopilot and AIS.

When the NSS8 is off but SimNet and the instruments are on, I can receive all expected data on the laptop. In particular, the DBT and DPT sentences for depth are both received.

However, when I turn on the NSS8 the depth info disappears from the laptop - only the DPT sentence is received and this does not contain any useful info. This is disappointing as I would normally have the NSS8 powered up when sailing and the laptop would be keeping a running data log including depth.

I have the latest versions of software on both the Actisense and NSS8.

I have raised the problem with Simrad Support but so far no answer. I will also try contacting Actisense.

Has anyone any experience of this set up or thoughts about a possible reason for the missing depth data??
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I've managed to get ActiSense Support interested in this problem. After providing them with a couple of log outputs, they have concluded as follows -

"It looks like the NSS8 has a depth sounder capability and is outputting DPT.

If the NSS8 has a lower address than your actual sounder, the NGW-1 will use the lower address as priority.

There should be an option in the NSS8 to disable the depth output."

My depth transducer is an Airmar Smart Tri (DST800 IIRC) which outputs the 128267 PGN directly onto the SimNet bus and this is read and interpreted correctly by the ActiSense Converter (NGW-1) when the NSS8 is off. However, when the NSS8 is on, the NSS8 sends out its own version of 128267 and this is used by the NGW-1 if it is higher priority than the transducer. Because the NSS8 has no analogue transducer connected to it there is no depth info included in the NSS8 version of 128267, only the depth offset info which is preset. This then converts (in the NGW-1) to DPT only without any depth info - hence my original problem above.

Given the ActiSense response above, does anyone know how to disable the NSS8 internal depth sounder function so that the 128267 PGN from the transducer is not overridden?

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Cam you select "talker ID"?
Possibly the sensor īs broadcasting in different talker ID channel.




Table 2. Big list of talker IDs
AG

Autopilot - General

AP

Autopilot - Magnetic

CC

Computer - Programmed Calculator (obsolete)

CD

Communications - Digital Selective Calling (DSC)

CM

Computer - Memory Data (obsolete)

CS

Communications - Satellite

CT

Communications - Radio-Telephone (MF/HF)

CV

Communications - Radio-Telephone (VHF)

CX

Communications - Scanning Receiver

DE

DECCA Navigation (obsolete)

DF

Direction Finder

EC

Electronic Chart Display & Information System (ECDIS)

EP

Emergency Position Indicating Beacon (EPIRB)

ER

Engine Room Monitoring Systems

GP

Global Positioning System (GPS)

HC

Heading - Magnetic Compass

HE

Heading - North Seeking Gyro

HN

Heading - Non North Seeking Gyro

II

Integrated Instrumentation

IN

Integrated Navigation

LA

Loran A (obsolete)

LC

Loran C (obsolete)

MP

Microwave Positioning System (obsolete)

OM

OMEGA Navigation System (obsolete)

OS

Distress Alarm System (obsolete)

RA

RADAR and/or ARPA

SD

Sounder, Depth

SN

Electronic Positioning System, other/general

SS

Sounder, Scanning

TI

Turn Rate Indicator

TR

TRANSIT Navigation System

VD

Velocity Sensor, Doppler, other/general

DM

Velocity Sensor, Speed Log, Water, Magnetic

VW

Velocity Sensor, Speed Log, Water, Mechanical

WI

Weather Instruments

YC

Transducer - Temperature (obsolete)

YD

Transducer - Displacement, Angular or Linear (obsolete)

YF

Transducer - Frequency (obsolete)

YL

Transducer - Level (obsolete)

YP

Transducer - Pressure (obsolete)

YR

Transducer - Flow Rate (obsolete)

YT

Transducer - Tachometer (obsolete)

YV

Transducer - Volume (obsolete)

YX

Transducer

ZA

Timekeeper - Atomic Clock

ZC

Timekeeper - Chronometer

ZQ

Timekeeper - Quartz

ZV

Timekeeper - Radio Update, WWV or WWVH


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Roger, I'm having issues with my simnet, what software did you use on the PC? Can you see a log of individual messages or just the values? I'm trying to find a way of discovering which messages fail so I Cana diagnose the fault

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Hi Mark

The ActiSense NGW1-USB unit that I use converts (some of) the N2K data into NMEA0183 sentences that are displayed on the laptop using the NavMonPC programme (see http://www.navmonpc.com/). Note that not all N2K data is translated though - only those that have an equivalent NMEA0183 sentence.

There is a different ActiSense unit that can be used to read all the N2K data into a laptop. This is the NGT1 (see http://www.actisense.com/products/nmea-2000/ngt1.html). ActiSense also provide the compatible reader/display software (see http://www.actisense.com/products/actisense-software/nmea-eblreader1.html).

I have no direct experience of the NGT unit but have used the NMEA Reader software. It is a bit 1990s but does display the data in human readable form.

There may be other systems around that can read the N2K data (it is, after all, just CANBUS technology) but I have found the ActiSense unit I use does what it says on the tin and their support was actually much better than SIMRAD when I had a problem (which was actually a SIMRAD generated problem!). 

BTW - what is your problem with N2K data? It might be worth giving us some details in case others have experienced the same.

Good luck.

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Hi Roger, thanks for the information.

My problem is that I am losing data and instruments. When I look at the 'diagnostics' page on my NS12, I can see that I get RX errors (and fast packet errors, but I'm told these are not important), despite having only 15% bus load.

The number do errors is not consistent, but appear in bursts every 5 seconds or so. If there are a low number of errors in each burst, I occasionally get a 'no autopilot computer' message, even though the autopilot is still there and on in some cases. However as the number rises, I get these messages every minute, and eventually we lose data, sometimes the wind data and sometimes depth. When I look at the device list, the wind instrument can disappear from the list and never transmit again until the whole system is switched off and on.

I suspect either a bus terminator problem, an instrument problem or a power problem, but I don't know how to proceed to diagnose the issue, obviously I don't have any test equipment. The local Simrad dealer is supposed to have engineered, but so far they have failed to show up, and don't seam to understand the words bus, terminator or test equipment, so I don't hold out much hope.

I was on the boat today, and it displays some odd characteristics. For example, true wind and true wind speed come from the autopilot, and apparent wind direction and speed come from the wind instrument. In some cases my IS40 displays can see the data generated by the autopilot but not the raw data from the instrument, but the autopilot must have seen it to generate the true wind as far as I can tell, so it looks to me like a bus problem rather than a permanently duff instrument.

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Electronics baffle me. Is it possible that one item on the network is corrupting? Could a loop have been formed which refeeds data perhaps if you have added an instrument? Is there a computer in the system which might be playing up? Are all your connections sound? Could you try disconnecting instruments out of the system?

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When did the system start to exhibit these problems? Did it work perfectly when it was first installed and has anything been altered in the network since initial installation that may have upset things?

Have you updated the NSS software since handover? There have been 2 or 3 updates in the last 18 months. I think NSS software is unlikely to be the cause of your problems but it's always worth having the latest installed. The instruments, autopilot and radar are also updated at the same time as the NSS if needed.  Check on the Simrad site for details of latest versions and how to install them. It is quite straightforward to do it yourself.

Before you start tearing the boat apart to find the terminators and power supply for the SimNet, it might be worth doing an Auto Select on the NSS to reset the network, in case something has changed. Go to Settings -> Network (see NSS Installation Manual page 38).

If that makes no difference, I suggest you locate and check the terminators. One will be in the masthead wind transducer unit and the other is probably on the end of the IS20 instrument daisy chain.

Power supply problems (fluctuations) should be visible on the instruments which are powered from the bus.

If the problems persist, the simplest next step (in theory, but not in practice!) is to disconnect (or bypass) each item connected to the bus in turn, until the problem is no longer apparent. Start at one end of the backbone and work in. The masthead unit is probably the first to try but you will need another terminator to replace the one at the masthead.

I'm not sure a software diagnostic tool (data reader) would actually help if the network is exhibiting random errors.

It could be quite time consuming to identify and isolate the faulty item but it will be instructive for the future to plot how your electronics are connected.

Good luck.


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Thanks, do you mean that the terminator is also at the masthead? It looks like I have something at the mast foot, it certainly has a red disc on the connector and looks like a little aluminium can on 5 cm of wire.

nothing has changed since the boat was new, I think the system was nearly ok, we did have a very occasional loss go the OP10 controller perhaps one time in 10 trips, now we don't get past a couple of in mutes without something going wrong
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Mark - I have a Lowrance chartplotter, IS20 instruments, Broadband radar. During my first year or so, I too had intermittent electronic faults which gradually worsened. Having done local and general resets of the network through the IS20, I spoke about my problems to Navico and they explained how to do a complete reset of the Chartplotter (don't recall for the moment the term they used for it). This procedure was not in any handbooks and neither had I found it on their site. However, it worked and resolved my issues. It seems that the software had muddled itself, perhaps from various upgrades.

Perhaps your Plotter needs the same treatment.

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