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    Posted: 17 November 2015 at 07:52
Hi,
Time has come forme to move into long trip after years of work.
So I have started to look for boat in which I could make long time circumnavigation.
Boat which has been named ''true bluwater'' as new are out of range (Amel,Ovni etc.) and I have to make the choice out of ''production'' boat.
Hanse 505 looks quite roomy and I would like to ask if anybody has made longer trip for Pacific Ocean, or North Atlantic in heavy weather conditions?
I do not want to break icebergs but even between 30S-30N storms can be heavy.
So the question is:
How seaworthy is 505's hull, rigging and the boat in itself?
What is your experience?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2015 at 15:46
Any boat larger than 40-43' could be a nightmare to manage by a small crew in case of trouble. Unless you are a group of 7-8 sailors the 505 could be potentially dangerous. Just imagine the furler line to chafe and brake. The jib would be impossible to take down by three or four crew members. Think about the crew and not the boat. Usually the crew cannot handle the conditions. Just my two cents.

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Hi,
 
We have delivered a number of 495's and 505's which have both crossed the Atlantic (and back) and also sailed to Australia.
 
I think it is fair to say that the boat can handle it quite happily.  One of our 385 owners have just arrived back in Australia after sailing from the UK too.
 
They even wrote to tell us that they would choose a 385 to do it next time, which is a super testament.
 
If I can help with anything from the Hanse side please ask.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 November 2015 at 23:31
There is no reason to doubt the ability of a Hanse to sail a storm.
Also there is no reason to buy a brand of yacht that markets it self as suitable for " Blue Water" ; these boats have little that is different to a Hanse except price.
As a small idea from my own conversations whilst sailing in the last year, one owner of a brand new Halberg had major problems with an engine that was installed wrong and was destroyed, the replacement engine was giving problems, a X yacht with an autopilot that was could not be made to work again brand new, another X with major engine problems. Oyster owners that have big problems; Discovery again owners that are having problems.
I can go on, what has an Ovni got that makes it better for " Blue Water " the rig is small , the boat is slow, the lack of weight in the keel can be a real problem when you are in serious weather, forget what the sales pitch says and the chat room bores say. This design of boat is flawed, and please do not quote Cornell, the man is a hypocrite and self opinionated.
If your sailing needs a lot of space and you have the crew, plus you intend to sail trade wind the Hanse will be great.
Personaly , having sailed two Atlantic circuits in my 370, plus quite a lot more I am thinking of an upgrade, there is nothing on any 50 foot boat that interests me so am not the best person to advise, I prefer small and sweet. I can tell you a Hanse is more than capable of sailing bad weather; but it is hard work, if you want an easier boat for bad weather there is nothing on the more expensive boats to help you with this, best you buy a second hand Swan.

All just my opinion.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Optymist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2015 at 13:26
Thanks for answers.

I can not find good reasons to buy 40 years Swan,H&R, Oyster or similar yacht for the price of new built yacht. 
OK,OK I know heavy displacement, full keel etc. but I do not plan to go for heavy conditions as you may meet in far areas N or S.

If I buy old one she will need a lot of upgrade in rigging, engine, electric system etc. doesn't she?

So it is a question if to sail or repair for years...

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You know the old saying: "a boat gets shorter by one foot every day for each person on board".  Go with a 505 if you can swing it and do some rigging upgrades (storm sails in particular) and necessary safety and communications equipment.  The extra weight of a Swan or Oyster will make the crossing much more comfortable, possibly faster, but not necessarily safer (maybe a bit of safety margin).  Panos is correct, you will probably need a crew of at least 5 to stay rested and safe.  

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I cannot speak about the 505, but we have now 8 years and more than 30000nm at sea with a 430e, from France to South Africa through South America and New Zealand.
That's a great sailing boat, fast and safe. Sometimes very powerful for two on crew...but we learned. What I can say is that one week ago the night before arriving into Richards Bay in South Africa we were sailing in a 30 nds gale with gust over 35 and the furking line of the headsail broke...and the headsail unfurled and started flapping into the wind. It took to the two of us nearly three hours to recover the sail undammaged...but the sail is only 40m2.
Panos is right 43 ft is a limit!
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I have friends that have just gone through the same process as you. Here is there blog on the choosing the boat you will have to translate. As you see below they have chosen a Ovni 430 used completely equiped for above 230K€. There reason you can beach it , the hull is aluminum....very very good sailing boat. I know its Hanse blog but aluminum or steel boat have have an edge on what floats

altitudezero.org

OVNI 435

En revenant à l’essentiel, c’est à dire robustesse, qualités marines, confort mais pas de luxe, je revins a mon image originale du bateau de voyage, l’OVNI. Idée confortée objectivement par la lecture d’un excellent article sur le site Attainable Adventure Cruising (http://www.morganscloud.com/series/boat-design-selection-ovni-435/). Les points clés qui m’ont convaincu sont les suivants:

  • Qualité de construction,
  • Conception du lest, intégré a la coque (pas de risque de perdre le lest),
  • Réservoirs structurels (double sécurité en cas d’échoument), placés au plus bas et bien centrés, d’une grande capacité aussi bien pour l’eau que le fuel
  • plan de pont plat, dégagé et sécurisant en avant du mât,
  • taille du cockpit et de la jupe,
  • Grément de côtre très bien tenu, avec des bastaques en renfort sous trinquette dans le gros temps,
  • Barres de flèches poussantes permettant un meilleur réglage de la GV au portant en limitant le ragage,
  • Accès facile aux organes essentiels du bateau (notamment le secteur de barre, accessible en soulevant juste le caillebotis sous les pieds du barreur,
  • La lumière intérieure, abondante avec tous les nombreux panneaux de pont (l’absence de lumière est un des aspects qui me rebutait sur de nombreux monocoques),
  • Simplicité et qualité des aménagements intérieurs, pensés pour naviguer.
  • La liste pourrait continuer mais à ce point, elle était suffisante pour arrêter mon choix. En particulier, en prenant en compte le fait que l’offre du marché d’occasion en OVNIs 43, 435 ou 455 est relativement abondante. Tout au moins assez pour comparer et tenter de dénicher la bonne affaire….

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Hi Jean,

The list is about similar features Hanse has or compromises that have benefits or disadvantages as all solutions do. Jimmy Cornell wrote a book about his three circumnavigations of which the last he made with mentioned boat. He could beach for repair because of the keel and rudder that were retractable which is possible of course for a boat made of any material. maybe nice if one wants always to keep disctance to habited areas. He had also some small problems due to his rectractable equipments. If one goes to Antarctic or very Arctic conditions I agree that alu and steel are good materials, otherwise I dont like them. Alu is very vulnerable for wrong treament and steel (a work boat material) rusts ugly way. To beach the boat for occasional maintenance is nice when you need such but the need is only seldom and when you do need that is it sure there is the suitable beach and tide available. It is easy enough to find a crane. Actually I would say the best argument for retractable rudder and keel is there if one sals constantly in shallow water archipelagua.


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