315 with 140% Genoa

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   I finally got my new North Sails 140% (27.2 sq.m) Genoa for my Hanse 315 yesterday. It's "D-cut" and "Norlam 5,4XP". My first impressions is that it is a beautiful sail, perfect quality. From North Sails in Turkey.

I sailed it yesterday for 7 hours in 7-9m/s wind, here are my feelings:
- The work-load more than doubled when tacking - this now became a pretty complex operation (sailing solo). There are a lot more things to go wrong, and the cockpit has a lot more ropes in it.
- The self-tacking (85%) jib is very good sailing close to the wind. Possibly better than the 140% Genoa.
- You are over-powered a lot, and need to reef more often. Increases workload.
- The 140% easily "back-powers" if you go to high, and you must do a full tack to solve this. The 85% is extremely forgiving - it just flutters a little.
- Downwind sailing with a spreader boom with the 140% is perfect - a lot more sail area, higher speed, and the boat is much better balanced and feels safer.
- Higher speed when not sailing very close to the wind.

All in all - If the sailing involves a lot of tacking, stronger winds and sailing close to the wind, I'll prefer the 85% anytime. And the Hanse 315 with the self-tacking 85% jib is a very good and user friendly sailboat!!!

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Frode Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 18 December 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote Frode Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 315 with 140% Genoa Posted: 21 April 2007 at 07:39
	I finally got my new North Sails 140% (27.2 sq.m) Genoa for my Hanse 315 yesterday. It's "D-cut" and "Norlam 5,4XP". My first impressions is that it is a beautiful sail, perfect quality. From North Sails in Turkey. I sailed it yesterday for 7 hours in 7-9m/s wind, here are my feelings: - The work-load more than doubled when tacking - this now became a pretty complex operation (sailing solo). There are a lot more things to go wrong, and the cockpit has a lot more ropes in it. - The self-tacking (85%) jib is very good sailing close to the wind. Possibly better than the 140% Genoa. - You are over-powered a lot, and need to reef more often. Increases workload. - The 140% easily "back-powers" if you go to high, and you must do a full tack to solve this. The 85% is extremely forgiving - it just flutters a little. - Downwind sailing with a spreader boom with the 140% is perfect - a lot more sail area, higher speed, and the boat is much better balanced and feels safer. - Higher speed when not sailing very close to the wind. All in all - If the sailing involves a lot of tacking, stronger winds and sailing close to the wind, I'll prefer the 85% anytime. And the Hanse 315 with the self-tacking 85% jib is a very good and user friendly sailboat!!!
	Frode, Stavanger/Norway Hanse 315 # 390

tremalnaik Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 17 August 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 83	Post Options Post Reply Quote tremalnaik Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2007 at 09:23
	Thanck you Frode, you've been so clear! I've got some doubt about getting a new genoa and your post has been usefull because you haven't spoken only about speed! Ciao

Druid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 10 January 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Druid Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2007 at 09:51
	Thanks for the information Frode - very clear & useful. Best, Dan.
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Junker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 19 February 2007 Status: Offline Points: 167	Post Options Post Reply Quote Junker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2007 at 09:53
	Frode, how does this sail look like if you furl it in a bit? I.e to 110% Can it still be used, or do you need to change to the JIB? Rune

Frode Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 18 December 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote Frode Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2007 at 18:43
	Rune, I will try to test that over the next weeks. I'll let you all know!
	Frode, Stavanger/Norway Hanse 315 # 390

Rubato Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 12 July 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1806	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rubato Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2007 at 21:25
	Frode, Interesting observations that make a lot sense given some of the things I've heard. I have a 400 and was considering an overlapping genoa for racing in low winds. You mention you likely don't point as high with the 140. I was warned that likely that would be the case, wide cabin tops (meaning genoa tracks more outboard) and shrouds that were more outboard would cause this - just can't sheet it in to a tight enough angle. Also, it was suggested that an overlapping genoa would likely be too much power for anything over 10knots (5-6 m/s) because of our big mains. So it's not at all surprising that you felt overpower in almost twice that wind strength. I've been using a maxi jib for racing, about 108% and definitely am at a disadvantage with light winds (6 knots) but when the breeze is 10 or above we're very competitive. As for a couple of added lines in the cockpit - you need to add some more cupholders so the G&T doesn't spill when you put it down to do the tack Cheers Steve

Gregor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 11 February 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gregor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 May 2007 at 18:09
	Hi there, i got my 140% genoa last thursday, just before a trip from the Netherlands to Ramsgate (UK). Some pictures: http://www.uisge-beatha.eu/index.php?mact=Album,cntnt01,default,0&cntnt01albumid=13&cntnt01returnid=45 One of the photo's show the instruments :) The speed sure was higher with this new sail, only it is not build for close wind sailing. I used it up to 18knts true wind, than I rolled it in. I'm satisfied with it's performance Cheers, Gregor

les40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 20 April 2007 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote les40 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 2007 at 09:46
	hi frode, i too plan to get a 140% genoa for the 315. i got the brochure that says the sail area for the 140% genoa is 33.4sqm, 360sqft. and this is from north sails. seems like your sail is a bit smaller? is it high cut so there is less sail aea? also, when you furl in the sail, will it furl in completely or do you take the sail down. i am currently using a harken furler, and there is a maximum amount of rope that can be wound onto the drum before it becomes full and will jam with some of the sail still not furled in. same thing for the furlex furler(hunter326). just wanted to know if the facnor drum can take all the rope. frode, your genoa looks great! i am unable to tell from the photos, but do you have uv protection on the genoa? cheers leslie

Frode Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 18 December 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote Frode Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2007 at 22:38
	Today there was ideal conditions in the Gandsfjorden, so I did a test tacking against the wind to see what was the best performance I (with less than 2 years sailing experience) could get from my Hanse 315, sailing single-handed, with the 140% Genoa, and the Mainsail with either full or none reefing. Here is a GPS print with tack angles and GPS speed added: Comparing this with the Hanse 311 polare for 140% Genoa, I have marked the speeds and wind angles with "X" on the polare: Please note that I used the autopilot on most of these legs. When controlling the tiller manually, the performance is the best. My conclusion: I can now manage to sail close to 40 degrees to the wind with full sail area, and perhaps 44 degrees to the wind with the fully reefed mainsail in similar conditions. It was possible to achieve 6.0 knots at 45 degrees or better to the wind , which will now be my VMG (Velocity Made Good) target when tacking. The reefing of the mainsail reduced the boat speed and wind angle a bit. The sails may look ugly when going high into the wind, yet still give good performance. PS! Reefing the Genoa did not work well for performance when aiming high into the wind. but is fine when the wind comes directly from the side. Then it helps a lot to reduce over-power.
	Frode, Stavanger/Norway Hanse 315 # 390

Johan Hackman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 24 August 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 4361	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johan Hackman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2007 at 23:09
	Thanks again for sharing this interesting information, Frode! I wouldn't like to race against you with those angles and speed... Johan
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