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    Posted: 01 December 2024 at 23:09
I know there are several posts already on this topic but thought I’d start a “fresh” one.

In windy conditions, I am unable to furl the sail without winching it in. Even in light air, I really need to pull hard and I don’t consider myself weak. 

Wondering how effective your results have been after a couple years of either replacing it or replacing parts? And what did you do?

Or is the geometry of the furling line in conjunction with the routing of the jib sheet the culprit?

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This made a difference for me
Did this before the season, no issues during season whatsoever.
Guess every situation may be different 
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It looks like your post is about 9 years old. Has your rinsing routine continued to keep your furler manageable?
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Actually found this advice on another forum (think jeanneau) last year.

Followed it last spring.
Worked well this season.
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I've previously hosed down the furling components and didn't notice any improvement. I had a rigger look at it today and he thinks that the system as designed just has too much friction in it. 

I'm reluctant to use a winch to furl but am wondering if that's "life" and just do it... - is that what you guys and gals do?
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For what it’s worth, by no means  do I  pretend to be an expert.

What I read is that the facnor is actually designed to perform and spin under (high) load.

Same with the rinsing procedure, it says ‘load’.

It may just be my swivel, but I find it easier to spin under load than without.
I tried that by bringing the swivel down, tying it off and tension the halyard again. That’s also how I did the rinsing and WD40 flush.

Anyways, not everyone is experiencing  the same I guess, but in my case The 17 year old swivel is doing fine (again)
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Originally posted by Issywa Issywa wrote:

I've previously hosed down the furling components and didn't notice any improvement. I had a rigger look at it today and he thinks that the system as designed just has too much friction in it. 

I'm reluctant to use a winch to furl but am wondering if that's "life" and just do it... - is that what you guys and gals do?


On my 400 we struggled to furl without winching, there wasn't a magic bullet, but several incremental gains have made a huge difference:
  • Making sure the under deck blocks in the anchor locker were aligned with the furling line. (we have an under deck furler) - see this thread:
    https://www.myhanse.com/jib-furler-very-very-hard_topic9220_page2.html?KW=furl+jib
  • Making sure that the fenders that were stowed in the bow locker were not rubbing against the furling line!
  • Replacing the worn stanchion furler line pulleys with good quality fairleads - some people go for the Harken ball bearing stanchion blocks, but I found the Profurl Stanchion fairleads to be very good and they also allow you to "sweat" the line by hand, if needed, without damage.
  • Replaced worn jib sheet blocks on clew and self tacker track.
  • Probably the largest improvement came from changing the jib sheet from 12mm braid on braid  to 10 mm cruising dyneema.
As a result we now have a furler that can be managed by hand except in strong winds when we may have to sweat the line between two of the stanchion failrleads to get the first couple of turns in. I prefer sweating the line to winching as it gives more feedback to avoid winching a potential halyard wrap.



Edited by JohnWoff - 10 December 2024 at 12:31
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I’ve already installed the Harken furling line system as well as a new smaller line. No interference in the anchor locker where the under deck furler lives. 

I have new dyneema jib sheets on a 104 jib that uses the deck mount tracks so that eliminates the friction of the sheet running up through the mast. And it’s still pretty difficult to furl. 

But thinking I’ll try once more to rinse the system and report back. 


Edited by Issywa - 21 August 2025 at 17:00
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My easiest way to furl, is to send someone in front of the mast and pull down the sheet to release the tension on the sail while I pull manually. I intend to change my sheet to 10mm (142 ft).
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I am able to furl by hand in almost any wind strength.
I do turn downwind if the wind is stronger so that the jib is blocked by the main so is under zero pressure.
I would never attempt to furl when hard on the wind as the sail will flog badly.
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