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    Posted: 30 May 2025 at 12:10
So I was concerned that the lines were seeing more friction than before and decided to take off the "tunnel covers" that run down each side of the boat.   Sure enough,  the sheaves were turning with a lot of effort and it really took the winches to move the lines thru the system.   The mainsheet, for example,  could not be pulled thru by hand except when there was really a lot of slack in the system.

OK...  so break out the tools to remove and lubricate the sheaves.    

Still not really doing the job.   Called my rigger for his advice and he tells me the Spinlock T50's (asymetrical) that are on the system are undersized for the boat, and running 14MM halyards and sheets thru them along with membrane sails and the loads expected is a problem.    Its interesting that Hanse put the T50 on the boat, but had the higher strength alloy sheaves.  It doesn't come this way.  Normally it ships with the composite sheaves, which are less strong.   They must have known it was marginal. The base SWL for the T50 is 1650lbs.  

I'm looking at options to address this, and it seems like the following list:

1.  Just replace the sheaves and hope for the best.    These are about US$30 each and it would take 5 per side so about US$350 in total.  I might get a season or two of improved use before these failed as well. Same SWL to be expected). 

2.  Replace the T50 with a "high load" Spinlock T50.   This has a slightly stronger frame and the alloy sheaves.   It has the advantage of using the same drill holes (56mm) but needs one more hole to be drilled.    This improves the SWL to about 2650lbs (per sheave) and strengthens the frame so it would likely not distort causing sheave damage. This ends up costing about $400 each side but you get a stronger setup for about twice the money of (1) above. 

3.  Replace the T50 with a Harken Big Boat organizer.   This requires drilling and tapping new holes, but the SWL moves to about 4600lbs per sheave and my rigger tells me this will run nicely and address the problem properly.   Unfortunately, these organizers cost about US$1000 each, so its an expensive option.   

One of the things I am worried about is fitting it between the ends of the tunnel cover.  If you see the current setup, its close to the edges and something needing more real estate might not work.  

See pics of the three below...

The current T50 (Asymetrical)
This is the "high load" version of the Spinlock T50 (same drill pattern, one more hole)

This is the Harken Big Boat 5 sheave setup.     New everything.   New drill pattern,  need to check overall length a bit more. 


Has anyone else done this upgrade?   What did you do?


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Rick,

I have replaced our deck organisors twice. Once with the same T50A and once with the T50 high load units. I am not holding high hopes the T50HL units will cope. You are correct the organisors are undersized for the loads. 
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The frustrating part is that for the cost of the Harken I can replace the T50A (as you did) with the high load unit twice.     If it buys me 4 years, that's probably OK.     On the other hand,  I really hate doing things like this wrong.    I've always tried to replace items with the properly sized or appropriate part. 

Still researching.

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Rick,

Please keep us informed when you decide on your fix. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wild Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2025 at 13:26
This isn’t surprise my.🤔
We only have 143,5 square meter sail (main 87 and self tacking gib 56,5) on a 545 e build 2010(early building number)and have the Spinlock T50 reinforced type standard build in and with our new membrane sails they are on the border off there limits.
Economization I suppose?
We try to replace then by Harken big boat 5 but have not enough space and the line shaves against the corners of the canal.🤬
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Not sure if the 545 has the same tunnel sizing as the 575.      If you look at the picture, its possible that 14" (355mm) could be supported, but the Harken 5 sheave system requires 15" according to one web page I saw.   Another says 11 is all that is needed. 

At this point,   I'm leaning to the decision Wayne made (the high load Spinlock system).  While it doesn't have the working load of the Harken system, it does have double the strength of the current setup.    If it hangs in there for at least 2 years, I guess I can live with that result.   The Harken setup is expensive. 

This is the current TC50-A Spinlock on the boat.     The heavy loads appear to have distorted it and the sheaves have failed.  Just replacing the sheaves costs more than half the cost of the high load unit, so that doesn't seem smart. 

As you can see there is about 13 1/2" available.     This translates to about 344mm.   

Here are the specs for the Spinlock high load option.

The existing holes can be re-used as the drill pattern is the same.   That said, one more hole seems required in addition to what is there.   The overall length is 336mm. 

I am speaking with the Harken people tomorrow (not much over the weekend) as they seem to have conflicting information on diagrams and web pages.   One says the Harken organizer is 15" long.  The other says 11.something inches long.     One might work. The other clearly won't.    

When I find out, I'll post the results and final decision here. 






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As you can see on the pictures we have TC50/6 symmetry but the 2 inner lines touching the corner of the deck originally (much more friction and damage the GRP) we made SS corner protections with a round profile to create less friction and damage.
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same issue here - the axes of the organisers supplied by hanse have bent. Already replaced one, but it's obviously undersized...a custom-made solution, maybe? 
When you talk about drilling a new hole, you also mean to bury a nut inside? forces will be significant...and they cumulate - multiple ropes could carry a load.

please keep me posted in case you find a good solution, Rick.
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