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    Posted: 02 October 2016 at 15:33
Hi people, I'm new to this forum and hope to find some help with my problem. I own a Hanse 342 of approx. 9 years old. We are the first owner. Last year the the rudder bearing was replaced. Since then we have salt water in our bilge. This can vary from 10 liter up to 100 liter in a week. We have checked all the potential causes but we are unable to find the source. The seacocks are all dry and don't show any trail of water ingress. Also the keel bolds are dry. The water seems to come from the back of the boat. For your information we have a sail drive. The engine area is completely dry as well as the sail drive. We thought to have found the problem with a small whole in the exhaust pipe of the engine but having that replaced the problem still exists. Strangely enough it seems somehow to stop entering. other wise would the water activate the automatic bilge pump which it doesn't or even worse sink the boat. Does any of you people recognize this problem? Do you have any suggestions that might help us to identify the issue and locate the leak? We are getting quit desperate after eliminating all potential causes and not being able to locate the problem. To give you an idea the beginning of this season we launched the boat again in the water, after the winter, letting us be towed to the jetty, not starting the engine, to see if the engine could be the cause. Guess what again water in the bilge. After being complete dry on shore outside with no cover. 
Thanks in advance for your feedback and hopefully suggestions.
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Are you sure it is salt Water?
Sounds Strange.



Edited by H8jer - 02 October 2016 at 18:33
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2016 at 20:34
The pipe in Which the bottom bearing sits comes to mind, especially as you mentioned bearing replacement.
If they used too much force taking the old bearing out, perhaps it caused a crack.
Do you have a gator?
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Thanks for your reply. Yes I'm 100% positive it's salt water.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Madera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2016 at 21:49
Rock, do you have experience with these kind of leakage? I have puzzled my mind to understand the link between the bearing replacement and the leak since that was the only change. Since the water is not coming from the inner shall is it possible you think that between the outer shell and the inner shell water ingresses and ends in the lower part of the bilge, mid ship? 
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What do you mean if I have a gator?
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What Peter/Rock is referring to when he asks about a gator is the large rubber seal that fits over the bottom tube where the bottom bearing is located and up around the top internal part of the rudder stock. This is called a gator and is sealed by hose clips around the bottom and around the rudder stock sealing the bottom bearing against any sea water coming in. If this is in place it could have a split in it, so worth checking.

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Thanks for that. The inner part of that section is completely dry. No water ingress visible on the inner side. The pipe, hoisting the rudder stock with the gator is laminated on the inner shell which is not showing water. Area is completely dry. Is it possible that by replacing the bearing a small crack was made on the outside in the recess where the bearing is fixed causing the water ingresses between the outer shell and the inner shell and gets in to the bilge?
Somehow there must be a relation between the replacing of the bearing and the starting of the leakage.

Appreciate your thinking. Thanks for helping to allocate the problem.
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I would be surprised if it was the rudder bearing as it is above the waterline and the gator is there to keep it clean,. Not to stop water getting in. Although the sea cocks are not leaking you need to check all sea water pipework below the water like, for example the pipe to the raw water filter and the pipes to the heads and the sink and showers drain pipes etc. 100 litres a week sounds like a very large amount so I would expect it to be obvious where the leak is. Please keep us updated.   Steve

Edited by echoofwight - 03 October 2016 at 09:42
Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering,   Portsmouth.
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The seal around the rudder stock could also be called gaiter

When at dock the tube is almost empty and when using the engine at sea the tube is filled with water but not to the top.

One method to locate this is to use newspaper or any paper placed in different places, when you see a wet paper you can narrow down were the water is coming from.


Do you get water into the boat when sailing (starboard / port tack) ?
Do you get water into the boat when motoring ?
Do you get water into the boat at the dock ?


Edited by skipper - 03 October 2016 at 10:46
Cheers,
Skipper
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