10mm mainsail halyard with a dyneema core?

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   Hello fellow Hanse sailors 
We have recently purchased a new mainsail for our Hanse 370 and are looking at also replacing the halyard (which is currently 12mm polyester) with one that has a dyneema core to reduce the stretch in the rope and get as much performance out of the sails as possible. The boat is used for family cruising and is not raced so maximum performance is not required.

I have been looking at getting the thinner 10mm LIROS Dynamic Plus Dyneema (SK78) to have less friction in the rope and for easier storage. LIROS suggest this has a breakload of at least 3100Kg. However, they recommend a maximum sail area of 30sqm. Our main is 40sqm.

My questions is, will the 10mm SK78 be sufficient, or is there another alternative for reducing the thickness of the halyard from 12mm to 10mm without going for the more expensive SK99 dyneema?

I note that the 12mm polyester LIROS Herkules has a minimum breakload of 3,500Kg and is recommended for a 40sqm sail area. 

Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.

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bdh198 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 15 September 2014 Location: Solent Status: Offline Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote bdh198 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 10mm mainsail halyard with a dyneema core? Posted: 19 May 2023 at 17:29
	Hello fellow Hanse sailors We have recently purchased a new mainsail for our Hanse 370 and are looking at also replacing the halyard (which is currently 12mm polyester) with one that has a dyneema core to reduce the stretch in the rope and get as much performance out of the sails as possible. The boat is used for family cruising and is not raced so maximum performance is not required. I have been looking at getting the thinner 10mm LIROS Dynamic Plus Dyneema (SK78) to have less friction in the rope and for easier storage. LIROS suggest this has a breakload of at least 3100Kg. However, they recommend a maximum sail area of 30sqm. Our main is 40sqm. My questions is, will the 10mm SK78 be sufficient, or is there another alternative for reducing the thickness of the halyard from 12mm to 10mm without going for the more expensive SK99 dyneema? I note that the 12mm polyester LIROS Herkules has a minimum breakload of 3,500Kg and is recommended for a 40sqm sail area. Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.

Wayne's World Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 18 July 2012 Location: Cruising Status: Offline Points: 1434	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wayne's World Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2023 at 18:24
	Ben, Our 575 came from the factory with a 12mm Liros Regatta 2000 main sail (90sm) halyard which according the the Liros website has a breaking strain of 7200. I would think the 10mm Regatta with a breaking strain of 5000 would be more than suitable for your main sail halyard. What was the breaking stain of your original halyard?
	Wayne W Cruising, currently in the Pacific until the end of 2026.

SamsonII Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 19 July 2016 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 70	Post Options Post Reply Quote SamsonII Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2023 at 20:24
	I have used the 10 mm Liros for several years on my 370. Works perfectly. Both for racing and leasure.
	Stein-Erik Carlsen Hanse 370e 2006 #41 "Samson II"

bdh198 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 15 September 2014 Location: Solent Status: Offline Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote bdh198 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2023 at 22:18
	Thanks Wayne I’m afraid I don’t remember what the breaking strain is of the existing halyard. It’s 12mm polyester and we have been using it for over 10 years (there is a lot of stretch in it).

bdh198 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 15 September 2014 Location: Solent Status: Offline Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote bdh198 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2023 at 22:27
	Hi SamsonII Is your Liros halyard, Regatta 2000 or Dynamic Plus?

SamsonII Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 19 July 2016 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 70	Post Options Post Reply Quote SamsonII Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2023 at 23:16
	Dynamic Plus
	Stein-Erik Carlsen Hanse 370e 2006 #41 "Samson II"

landlocked Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 12 April 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 568	Post Options Post Reply Quote landlocked Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2023 at 04:30
	Just be aware that your clutch may not hold the 10mm line as well. I replaced my polyester halyard with a thinner and much more expensive dyneema line and am now spending more money to upgrade clutches to ceramic parts to hold the new line. Another solution is to insert some thin lashing line into the core in the area of the clutch to fatten the line and I may end up doing this too. The advantage of low-stretch line is lost if the clutch “gives up” a lot of line before holding.
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H8jer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 14 September 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 1503	Post Options Post Reply Quote H8jer Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2023 at 13:44
	Hi I use SVB Glestein Cruise XP with dyneema core for our Hanse 370 for years without any problems. https://www.svb24.dk/da/gleistein-cruise-xp-the-all-rounder-rope.html 10 mm has 3800kg breaking loads and 12 mm is about 5100kg. 10 mm is 4.73 euro/meter and 12 mm is 6.83€ Reefs are 8 mm Mainsheet 12 mm Jib sheet 10 mm All halyard are 10 mm. This tabel is from my wifes and my Danish Yacht Master 3rd degrees report: My jib halyard slips a little in the Spinlock XTS. Edited by H8jer - 21 May 2023 at 08:30
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MAJOTE Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 18 December 2022 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 42	Post Options Post Reply Quote MAJOTE Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 June 2023 at 11:34
	Hola Recientemente también he estado buscando driza para mi vela mayor, y estoy en la misma duda que tú. Al final he decidido la driza GLEISTEIN CRUISE XP de 12 mm, CON CARGA DE ROTURA 5000 daN Después de mucho buscar y comparar...

S&J Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 30 August 2014 Location: Perth WA / Med Status: Offline Points: 1371	Post Options Post Reply Quote S&J Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 June 2023 at 12:59
	I have used 10mm on my 385 and 12mm on my 458, both dyneema. These match the original supply from the factory with cruising laminate sails. For the sheets I swapped out the fluffy cased polyester (which generated lots of friction) with one size smaller dyneema with a slippery closing. Much improved handling and reduced friction. Edited by S&J - 15 June 2023 at 13:05
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