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Posted: 23 February 2024 at 12:15

What people are basically saying in very nice ways is that you need to learn to walk before you can plan to run a marathon. The questions you are focussing on are simply not appropriate at this stage; far better to concentrate on developing your sailing skills to the point where you are unlikely to present a burden to Search & Rescue organisations, never mind government agencies and insurance companies. I'm sure that we all wish you the very best of fortune and will do all we can to help as you gain in experience.

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Posted: 18 April 2024 at 06:51

Hello

I have a 312 and still dreaming to cross the big blue

One point is insurance

Many boats can cross, a 70 years old never sailed lady went to Tahiti on a Muscadet

I saw a 7m swedish old boat in Tahiti. He had no electronic nor maps

Insurance

If your boat is not legally foreseen to cross, in case of trouble the insurance will help

But will send you the bill €€€€€€€€

Problem with a passenger

You know your boat is not suitable, you assume it and all it's consequences

Tip buy a "régulateur d'allure". Auto pilot not on 12V

Hope you realize this dream

Camille

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Posted: 19 April 2024 at 15:27

I may be mistaken but were the requirements for the catagories changed some years ago.

I think that my 2003 311 was cat A but if catagorized now the identical boat would be a B.

But the classification for A has to be studied as I think that it is split into a couple of grades. Someone may be able to find the descriptions.

The best is is something like -extended offshore ocean sailing unassisted

The description for mine includes waves up to 4M, which is not very big. I think that now only qualifies as B

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Posted: 19 April 2024 at 17:44

Insurances are by navigation zones

Cheap not far

Expensive round the world

When you ask for an insurance, they ask you all ship documents

Including category certification

Let's suppose you ask for a transatlantic insurance and you're B

They should refuse

If they accept it should mean that they accept to cover your B boat for transat'

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Posted: 26 June 2024 at 10:06

My 2016 Hanse 315 came with Class A certification.

But later I believe the classification was changed, and all new 315s are now sold with a B class certification. There is no change to the hull, rig or keel, so I assume it is the rules that have changed, not the boat.

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Posted: 26 June 2024 at 12:08

The calculation of stability changed. Previously I believe there was an assumption that crew (passengers) and gear would be moved outboard (i.e. crew on the rail) to give additional stability. New rules assume this is not the case which is much more realistic unless you are on an ocean race boat!

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Ratbasher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 31 May 2017 Location: Cyprus Status: Offline Points: 818	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ratbasher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 February 2024 at 12:15
	What people are basically saying in very nice ways is that you need to learn to walk before you can plan to run a marathon. The questions you are focussing on are simply not appropriate at this stage; far better to concentrate on developing your sailing skills to the point where you are unlikely to present a burden to Search & Rescue organisations, never mind government agencies and insurance companies. I'm sure that we all wish you the very best of fortune and will do all we can to help as you gain in experience. Edited by Ratbasher - 23 February 2024 at 14:11
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Ta'I Miti 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 05 April 2016 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 255	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ta'I Miti 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 April 2024 at 06:51
	Hello I have a 312 and still dreaming to cross the big blue One point is insurance Many boats can cross, a 70 years old never sailed lady went to Tahiti on a Muscadet I saw a 7m swedish old boat in Tahiti. He had no electronic nor maps Insurance If your boat is not legally foreseen to cross, in case of trouble the insurance will help But will send you the bill €€€€€€€€ Problem with a passenger You know your boat is not suitable, you assume it and all it's consequences Tip buy a "régulateur d'allure". Auto pilot not on 12V Hope you realize this dream Camille Belgique
	Not only those who wander are lost I've learn that the best way to learn about people is to sail with them

samuel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 26 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2770	Post Options Post Reply Quote samuel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 April 2024 at 15:27
	I may be mistaken but were the requirements for the catagories changed some years ago. I think that my 2003 311 was cat A but if catagorized now the identical boat would be a B. But the classification for A has to be studied as I think that it is split into a couple of grades. Someone may be able to find the descriptions. The best is is something like -extended offshore ocean sailing unassisted The description for mine includes waves up to 4M, which is not very big. I think that now only qualifies as B
	Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex

Ta'I Miti 2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 05 April 2016 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 255	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ta'I Miti 2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 April 2024 at 17:44
	Insurances are by navigation zones Cheap not far Expensive round the world When you ask for an insurance, they ask you all ship documents Including category certification So Let's suppose you ask for a transatlantic insurance and you're B They should refuse If they accept it should mean that they accept to cover your B boat for transat'
	Not only those who wander are lost I've learn that the best way to learn about people is to sail with them

Caspar B Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 03 July 2017 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Caspar B Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 June 2024 at 10:06
	My 2016 Hanse 315 came with Class A certification. But later I believe the classification was changed, and all new 315s are now sold with a B class certification. There is no change to the hull, rig or keel, so I assume it is the rules that have changed, not the boat.
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S&J Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 30 August 2014 Location: Perth WA / Med Status: Offline Points: 1371	Post Options Post Reply Quote S&J Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 June 2024 at 12:08
	The calculation of stability changed. Previously I believe there was an assumption that crew (passengers) and gear would be moved outboard (i.e. crew on the rail) to give additional stability. New rules assume this is not the case which is much more realistic unless you are on an ocean race boat!
	H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising