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Well managed crisis IMHO.   

I've often thought of just pulling the Wurth panel and putting in a panel of blue sea breakers.   The single point of failure occurred to me, but I had not realized it was as bad as this experience proves.

It would be interesting to see what alternatives people have either explored or implemented.

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Originally posted by Black Diamond Black Diamond wrote:

Well managed crisis IMHO.   

I've often thought of just pulling the Wurth panel and putting in a panel of blue sea breakers.   The single point of failure occurred to me, but I had not realized it was as bad as this experience proves.

It would be interesting to see what alternatives people have either explored or implemented.


Leon had suggested the same product!  the 8380 is a perfect upgrade, it fits on the door and you just have to do a larger cutout. You will have 22 breakers , easily replaceable....it would have been my first choice , but the only problem is that delivery here in europe is 12 weeks...despite I am not pressed , it's too long .

In alternative I am  being suggested the panels of bep marine too, 904NM and 901H mounted on the oysters...

They are only 16 switch or 8 switches in the format fitting the door , either I stick to 16 channels or I could put both for 24.

I am still thinking a good way to "pool" multiple cables. it is required , for example , for the interior lights (there are at least 4 or 5 cables managed by the same control). should I use simple wago connectors like the ones on the picture , or organise something different and better structured ? suggestions ?







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I think the Wagos would be fine. They are all over the boat anyway and hold up well, especially in the interior of the cabinet.
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Also Piero, I think you can make it work with 16 circuits. That is more than we use on the Wurth anyway. Blue Sea is a very high quality pane, prewired with buss bars. Here is a Blue Sea panel from a US seller that I have used for many years. You may need a few extra breakers.  They may ship international.
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Originally posted by Nelson01 Nelson01 wrote:

Very good info on AP and rudder control options.

But be aware that a pan pan in Greek waters becomes more complicated.We witnessed a sv that called out a pan pan because of engine trouble and were foreseeing problems coming into marina (Syvota).Coast guard showed up and made arrangement for towing sv last hundred meters to dock.They then seized boat docs and requested boat repaired and full survey(out of water) before releasing the vessel.Apparently they want to make sure boat is seaworthy.....
And the engine issue was bad fuel/wrong tank by the new owners of sv.It became a very expensive pan pan .

We were advised by many of the small marina operators in Greece,that if towing is needed ,to call them beforehand if not in danger and too far from help.



Marc



Italy is half way. if it would have been an Italian boat , they would have inspected and validated that the boat was seaworthy. My boat has a French flag. So, they understand that such a procedure should be respectful of the French seaworthiness rules , not the Italian ones . because they are not competent on the French jurisdiction , they simply ask me to declare to the capitaneria di porto when the boat is seaworthy, mandatory before leaving the harbour, and as captain I will assume the responsibility for it. 
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