Hanse 385, ocean crossings

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   Hi, I have a Hanse 385 from 2018 and I have just read on this forum that the CE-Rating was downgraded in 2017, from a CE-rating of A to a CE-rating of B. And my question is, will the boat endure a ocean crossing? Like the Atlantic ocean? I have heard some bad stories about the Hanse boats when it comes to offshore sailing, but it is just so wierd how they changed the rating, without making any changes on the model. I have read that they changed the regelations of the ratings, but i suppose that the boat is in some form of gray area when it comes to offshore sailing. Do anyone have any expierience when it comes to Hanse yachts and big ocean crossings?

Edited by melt - 04 February 2024 at 13:14

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melt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 04 February 2024 Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote melt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Hanse 385, ocean crossings Posted: 04 February 2024 at 13:13
	Hi, I have a Hanse 385 from 2018 and I have just read on this forum that the CE-Rating was downgraded in 2017, from a CE-rating of A to a CE-rating of B. And my question is, will the boat endure a ocean crossing? Like the Atlantic ocean? I have heard some bad stories about the Hanse boats when it comes to offshore sailing, but it is just so wierd how they changed the rating, without making any changes on the model. I have read that they changed the regelations of the ratings, but i suppose that the boat is in some form of gray area when it comes to offshore sailing. Do anyone have any expierience when it comes to Hanse yachts and big ocean crossings? Edited by melt - 04 February 2024 at 13:14

S&J Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 30 August 2014 Location: Perth WA / Med Status: Offline Points: 1371	Post Options Post Reply Quote S&J Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 February 2024 at 00:08
	I believe that the measurement ruling changed by requiring additional gear to be included when calculating the category. Minor changes were made to get the 388 to certify in category A, however note that in-mast reefing brings that down to Cat B too. Hanse is the number 2 leisure boat builder worldwide so there are many tens of thousands of boats in commission. Inevitably there are a few breakages. Some of the larger boats have had issues with potentially under powered autopilots. One boat reported (detailed on a post here) the mainsheet attachment point breaking on an ocean passage. There are many Hanse successfully crossing oceans every year. The 385 is perhaps at the smaller size of the boats that might attempt ocean passages however when we commissioned ours in 2015, a young couple from Sydney were taking a year off work (the boat was called Interlude) to sail their new 385 from Greifswald back to Australia. You might find some of their posts here. I decided to upsize from 385 to 458 for my own ocean passages but I have little doubt that the 385 would be capable.
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Matt1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 10 March 2019 Location: Hamble, UK Status: Offline Points: 727	Post Options Post Reply Quote Matt1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 February 2024 at 06:20
	A Hanse 388 “Milly” did the ARC in 2019. Maybe they are members of this forum? You can see how she did here https://www.worldcruising.com/content/S637124750413076717/ARC2019_Results_Cruising_Overall_vFIN.pdf
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Ratbasher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 31 May 2017 Location: Cyprus Status: Offline Points: 818	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ratbasher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 February 2024 at 07:56
	The short answer is that any boat can endure an ocean crossing if the conditions are right and the boat is well-founded and skippered with the passage properly planned. Proving that 'experience is the art of recognising a mistake when you make it again' I've done a fair bit of sailing on a few oceans and saw for myself that a vessel will undergo greater stresses in a few weeks that it would experience in many seasons of coastal cruising. Structural integrity is key and, although I've many complaints about the small things, Hanses are tough where they need to be as many 385 owners have discovered to their benefit on some impressive voyages. However, the rulings were changed to reflect stability calculations in a greater variety of potential conditions. They are intended to act as a guide to enable you to plan and set up your vessel accordingly - although I'm not sure what view an insurance company might now take. Weight distribution is very significant and is an essential element in planning for the potential sea states likely to be encountered on a voyage. It's 'horses for courses' and if you're seriously intending to do a lot of ocean sailing then there are boats that are much better suited for this role. If you're mainly just coastal/offshore with ambitions for the occasional ocean trip, possibly an ARC with all the included support, then there's no reason at all why you shouldn't sail a 385. You need to think realistically about where and for how long you're actually going to sail as your dedicated ocean-going vessel might not be nearly as suitable for life onboard as a 385.
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samuel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 26 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2770	Post Options Post Reply Quote samuel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 February 2024 at 11:34
	There have been forum discussions re ocean crossings in 37 & 38s. This does not answer the question about ratings though & not the current 38s so apologies for the thread drift ie https://www.myhanse.com/round-the-world-in-a-370-or-a-470_topic3119.html?KW=atlantic I seem to recall Gertha may have done 2 atlantic crossings. Certainly one forum member did in a 37 some years ago, with a story of a very high speed surf, in gust late one night. If one can find the post it was interesting. I think it was posted by Panos who was crewing at the time Edited by samuel - 05 February 2024 at 11:36
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