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    Posted: 11 August 2024 at 13:50
Our port side spreader slides upwards over time, starting from horisontal going 5-8 cm up.

Starbord spreader (lower), is complety stable in its position.

Any ideas why this happens ?

We have readjusted several times, but ends up high again after some time.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2024 at 14:08
What’s the year of your 400 Nikolaj, Sparcraft or selden rig?

With the sparcraft rig, the insert at the mast in combination with the tension/friction at the tip of the spreader, keeps it in place.

If the spreadertip is able to move up, my first gut feel is that you may not have enough tension on the wires.



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The year is 2006.
I believe its sparcraft.

We have loosen all, re-adjusted, and re-tighten. 
The tension is strong, and the mast is straight latherally. 

Is there anything in the spreader end creating fricktion ? Anything that could be worn or could be loose. Its a one sided issue. 

On a Selden Rig the shrouds are tight mounted to the spreader end. The manual says it must never move and it should be so tight you can stand on the spreader.
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The inserts on the spreadertip, that prevent the wires from grinding into the spreader itself, can be replaced (as almost everything can be replace of course).
When I replaced the stays, I noticed indentation lines in the shape  of the stays pressed in the cast aluminum. Suggesting very high force. 
I actually talked with the rigger about whether these inserts were worn and whether they had to be replaced.
In my case, upon taking a look, he said they are fine.

When in doubt have a rigger take a look, they see so many more rigs than we do
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Interesting topic, as we have the exact same issue on our 2005-built 371 with Sparcraft rig. Tension is good, mast is straight on the deck, but the lower starboard spreader moves up 5-10cm. 
Last year I winched a (lighter than me) friend into the mast to use his weight to push the spreader back. Problem did not reoccur all season.
This year (after removing and restepping the mast for winter storage) same issue. My 65kg daughter bouncing up and down on the spreader was not heavy enough to move it back down. I am reluctant to use more force.
Other than me being anal about having the rig symmetrical, and therefore the spreaders at equal angles, is there any reason for concern? When sailing under heel the load will be taken mainly by the windward shrouds, so a slight misalignment between port and starboard should not make a great deal of difference (I think).

So...I will be following this thread for a more knowledgeable evaluation, and be getting in touch with our local rigger Smile


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I routinely take my mast down every 2-3 years for a thorough check by a professional rigger that I trust completely.  He spotted material degradation on the mast around both sets of spreaders that needed reinforcement with 'mast doublers'; essentially plates that are rivetted onto the mast that function as new bases for the spreaders.  I could not tell that anything was wrong when the mast was up; rig tension was good, the mast straight and the spreaders were correctly aligned.  There were no observable symptoms when the boat was being sailed.  The cause is cyclic loading; even when alongside the mast is being subjected to constant forces as the boat moves thus stressing the rig.  I understand that without these doublers, sooner or later I'd have had 'spreader droop' as well as I do a fair amount of sailing in bouncy seas. 

I'm not saying this is the cause of the problems others are having here, just to underline how important it is to regularly get a professional opinion on such a safety-critical system. 
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I Will take another close look in the mast sometime soon.

We loosened the shrouds and the spreader found its normal horizontal position when we readjusted last time. I don’t think too much force is a good approach.

Can anyone explain why Selden locks the shrouds by screws to the spreader and writes that it’s very important it doesn’t move when for Sparcraft it doesn’t matter?
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