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    Posted: 07 October 2020 at 06:01
Hi all, I was wondering if any Hanse owners have had a problem with crossed halyards in the mast and how did they resolve the problem.

After just watching the the fine video posted by Matt1 Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK and his single handed sailing I thought I would post a problem which was identified on a 2014 385. 

I recently bought a 385 and have had certian challenges with her one being the main sail would/will not drop. A rigger identified that the problem was the main halyard and the genoa halyard was wrapped round each other inside the mast. After several hours and a lot of paitence and fiddeling around he manage to unravel them. So now the main sail drops or is easier to come down to some extent. However he also thought the main was also wrapped roung the topping lift as when you pull on the main the topping lift halyard moves and visa versa. The rigger decided to leave this one for me Cry

We have checked and cleaned all the sliders and mast track and they are fine and easy to drop with out the sail connected.

I assume the sail on MATT1's 418 and others the sail drops just about into the bag, I understand you may have to persuade the last metre or so to come down but thats it. 

Any thoughts, recommendations and comments appreciated. 




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Hi, as an owner of 385 i never experienced this, of course i keep always tension on the lines and let not more than one line wobbling in the mast.
And yes dropping the main is always a pleasure, it goes really fast straight in the lazy bag. Never had an issue with it. I assume if your lines are well fitted, you definitely will experience the same.

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Hi, we initially had a problem with the main halyard being twisted round the topping lift in the mast, which like your problem was obvious in that both lines moved if you pulled on one. Once fixed our main drops straight into the lazy bag with no problem.
The way round this is to lower (not drop) a thin line with a short 200 - 300 mm length of bicycle chain down the mast, the bicycle chain allows you to fiddle it out of the sheave relatively easily. Then use the thin line to pull the halyard back up the mast. That way there is always tension on the new halyard and there is no chance of it getting caught on anything in the mast. If you drop the new rope down the mast, gravity will take over and you cannot be sure of where it will go.
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Likewise I frequently sail singlehanded and loved the speed that I could drop the sail.  I would typically just let the halyard run and only the final couple of metres needed to be tidied away.

It is certainly worth fixing this issue as I imagine it might also impact hoisting the sail.  This was something I always struggled with.  Getting the correct luff tension was difficult.  The head of the sail never reached the black lines at the top of the mast and I put loads of tension on the halyard, but it was always a little too loose at the bottom.  I eventually solved the problem with a cunningham.
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Hi Carlosailfan,

Appeciate your comment and yes I hope one day the sail will slide into the bag with ease.
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Hi 415 Singapore.

Realy appreciate your comment and advice especially about pulling the new halyard up the mast keeping tension on it. In the comming weeks I will give this ago. I supose it is easier to do this with the topping lift halyard rather than the main.
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Hi S&J

Thanks for your comments and I think your right regarding the sail not going all the way to the top of the mast and its sure hard work getting it up there. 
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My sail suddenly became hard to get to the top of the mast & would jam near the top
When the mast was lowered in the winter I examined it & found a  nick in the groove. This caused the topmost mainsail slider to tilt & then jam.The harder I pulled the more it jammed & the bigger the nick became.
At that time I  had a new mainsail so Hyde supplied me with a different topsail slider. As the head of the sail gets to the top, the halyard wants to pull it in closer to the mast. The new slider, being quite rounded on the back edge, prevents it jaming when it tilts as it is being pushed in to the track. The rounded edge stops it jamming if it tends to tilt.
It may be that S & J ( & perhaps others) is having a similar problem with the top of the hoist because of the tilt in the top slider. To test this theory one could take it out of the mast & try hoisting the sail without it.

This is one of the samples they sent although I rejected this as it was not sufficiently rounded. But it shows the round




Edited by samuel - 10 October 2020 at 08:05
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Thanks Samuel for your intersting comment which I am sure others would also find of interest. I will check the top of the mast whist up there.

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