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    Posted: 01 August 2009 at 04:06
Anyone have any experience in trouble shooting the water tank level gage on the Calira Sealine Panel 329?
 
 
I can't find the Panel 329 unit on their web site. On my panel, I have just about the same tank gage set up as the 339 (see the following link)
 
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Füllstands-Sonde stufenlos für EVS-BC- Kombination
Artikelnummer: H20 432 0301 26
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The fuel gage works fine but the water gage has never worked. The tank sensor and wiring all look fine, all the plugs are secure. So it is either an issue with the circuit board or the sensor.
 
Anyone have the same experience and if so, how did you troubleshoot and solve the issue.
 
 
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Gary,

I have no specific experience with this unit, but I can pass on a few 'shade-tree mechanic' things you might try.

The tank sender is likely a variable resistor. Disconnnect the leads and measure the resistance across its terminals as the float is moved up and down. If the resistance changes as you move the float up and down, it's probably functional.

Next, reconnect the leads and measure the voltage across the terminals of the tank sender when the switch is in the 'ON' position to measure water level. (This will take some duct tape at the switch or the assistance of another person.) You should have voltage present across the terminals, and it should vary as you move the float up and down.

No voltage to the sender means you've dropped a wire someplace or perhaps the DPDT switch at the panel is faulty. Track that down at the panel.

If the sender looks good, and you still have no lights on at the panel, check to see that there's voltage returning to the panel. If you've got variable voltage returning to the meter panel from the sender, and no voltage at the lights, this smells more like a fault within the circuit board of the meter. If you have voltage at the lights, perhaps the lights are non-functional.

Good luck.

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Doug

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We did some troubleshooting on my H2O tank gage. Removed the sensor from the tank, did continuity testing in all the wiring and sensor. We found that the system works fine when you short out the sensor probes or stick it in salt water. This seems to indicate that the sensitivity of the probe needs adjusting. The circuit board has an adjustment but this still did not work. We switched the probe to the number 2 plug and it still does not work.

 

It seems like there is an issue with the circuit board. I am having a hard time getting Calira to respond to my emails and think that it may be a translation issue. Here is the text of my email:

 

I have a Hanse 341 that has an electrical panel with a tank/battery monitoring system that looks very much like your Panel 339 on your web site. I have an H20 432 0300 00 sensor on the tank.

The system is no longer monitoring the H2O level in my tank. I have done some troubleshooting to locate the problem. The sensor measures water level in salt water but not fresh or when shorted across the probes. I tried to adjust the sensitivity on the circuit board but it still does not work. So I have a couple of questions.

1. Can I purchase a replacement circuit board for my panel? If so, what is the cost?
2. Can I send you my current board for repair: If so, where do I send it?
3. Is there anything I can try to resolve my issue?

Much thanks,

Gary Ryan
Hanse 341

 

Can someone translate this email to German for me so that I can resend to see if I get a response? Thanks

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Gary,

Do you mean that your sender gave a variable resistance when it was placed in salt water and moved up and down, but constant resistance when placed in fresh water regardless of water level on the stick?

I contacted Calira about some replacement breakers a while back, and found their english to be reasonable and their response timely. I suspect Calira will get back to you. You may have to order out a replacement for the entire gizmo that does fuel and water level sensing on the Hanse panels.

If it helps, you're welcome to come down and check out how my sender operates. However, I'm out of town until 8/29. Let me know if you'd like to do this.

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Doug
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Hey Doug, thanks for the invite. Yes, let me know when you are back and I will take a look. Not sure I understand your question. First, we just shorted out the sensor probes to make sure it would read at the panel, it did and varied based on the probe we shorted. Then we placed the sensor in a bucket of salt water and it read correctly. So it is only not working in fresh water, most likely do too much resistance in the water. Not enough current is flowing between the sensors to read. There is an adjustment on the circuit board but this didn't help.


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Hi Gary,
That could help:


Ich habe eine Hanse 341, die einen elektrischen Panel mit einem Tank / Batterie-Monitoring-System, das sehr gerne Ihre Panel 339 auf Ihrer Website. Ich habe eine H20 432 0300 00 Sensor am Tank.

Das System ist nicht mehr die Überwachung der H2O in meinem Tank. Ich habe einige Fehlerbehebung, um das Problem. Der Sensor misst Wasser in Salz-Wasser, aber nicht frisch oder kurzgeschlossen, wenn in der Sonden. Ich habe versucht, um die Empfindlichkeit auf der Platine, aber es immer noch nicht funktioniert. Ich habe ein paar Fragen.

1. Kann ich einen Ersatz für meine Platine zu setzen? Wenn ja, was sind die Kosten?
2. Kann ich Ihnen meine derzeitigen Vorstands für die Reparatur: Wenn ja, wo kann ich sie schicken?
3. Gibt es etwas, was ich kann versuchen, mein Problem?

Viel Dank,

Gary Ryan
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Ich habe eine Hanse 341 mit einem Schaltpanel mit Tank/Batterie-Monitoring System, das sehr Ihrem Panel 339 auf Ihrer Website ähnelt. Ich habe einen H20 432 030000 Sensor am Tank.
Das System zeigt den Wasserstand in meinem Tank nicht mehr an. Ich habe versucht das Problem zu lokalisieren. Der Sensor misst den Wasserstand in Salzwasser aber nicht in Frischwasser oder bei kurzgeschlossenen Sonden. Ich habe versucht, die Empfindlichkeit auf der Platine einzustellen, aber auch das funktioniert nicht. Deshalb einige Fragen:

1. Kann ich eine Ersatzplatine für mein Panel kaufen? Wenn ja, was sind die Kosten?
2. Kann ich Ihnen meine bestehende Platine zur Reparatur senden: wenn ja, wohin?
3. Kann ich noch irgendetwas versuchen, um das Problem selbst zu beheben?

Vielen Dank,

Gary Ryan
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Much thanks to Slomo and Alain. I sent off the email again, but this time in German. I may need to have you tranlate the reply Big%20smile
 
 
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Finally got a response to one of my numerous emails to Calira. I would appreciate it if someone could translate this for me.
 
Sehr geehrter Herr Ryan,

ich habe keine gute Nachricht für sie. Für ihr Panel gibt es keine
Austauschplatine und keine Unterlagen mehr. Eine Reparatur ist ebenfalls
nicht mehr möglich.
Wir bedauern, dass wir ihnen keine bessere Auskunft geben können.

mit freundlichen Grüßen

i.A. Hermann Unglert
-Abteilung Service-
CALIRA Electronic GmbH & Co.KG
Lerchenfeldstr. 9
D-87600 Kaufbeuren
 
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"Dear Mr. Ryan,

I have no good news for you. For your panel doesn't exist a exchange printed circuit board any more and no documentation. We also cannot repair it.

We are sorry not to have a better answer.

Yours....  "



Edited by panos - 26 August 2009 at 16:02
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