Hanse vs. Bavaria sailing performance

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   Hi, 
had this obeservation during our latest club regatta.

We (Hanse 342 and a Hanse 315) participated as usual in the weekly club regatta. This evening was, however, a little different than most evenings. It was blowing into the bay with a rainy 15-18 knots south-easterly wind raising choppy swells of aprox 3 feet. The wind forecast said going to 16-22 knots during the race.

In our race theres now a Bavaria (same size) and the skipper is a good friend of mine and a former top-10 class boat skipper. Just after the start the Hanses and the Bavaria tacks fairly equal as the wind shortly dropped to 10 knots and the Hanses tacking with selftacker jibs and the Bavaria with a 120 % genua. At the 1. and 2. mark the Bavaria had an advantage of 2-3 minutes in front  But as the windspeed raises the Hanse just accelerated on the down wind leg and passes the Bavaria. On the last upwind leg the wind was 18-22 knots and the choppy swells were about 5-6 feet. It was under those conditions I obeserved that not only did the Hanses continue tacking upwind with full mains and jibs, the Hanses were doing great boatspeed and the Bavaria was left behind. The last leg was 1,2 Nm and the Bavaria reached the finish line 8 minutes after the Hanses.

After the race I talked to my Bavaria friend and he said that he envy the Hanses for there "heavy weather" performance vs the Bavaria and that he did have a hard time job controlling the Bavaria in those choppy swells even after he had taken one reef in the main. He is now looking forward to meet the Hanses again under more Bavaria friendly wind and swell conditions (7-12 knots) but again....the Hanses will then meet him with genoas on the furlers instead of selftacking jibs and show him our well polished rudders......

/Steen

Edited by Abstinenz - 12 June 2009 at 10:05

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Abstinenz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List myHanse Moderator - Denmark Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 563	Post Options Post Reply Quote Abstinenz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Hanse vs. Bavaria sailing performance Posted: 12 June 2009 at 09:59
	Hi, had this obeservation during our latest club regatta. We (Hanse 342 and a Hanse 315) participated as usual in the weekly club regatta. This evening was, however, a little different than most evenings. It was blowing into the bay with a rainy 15-18 knots south-easterly wind raising choppy swells of aprox 3 feet. The wind forecast said going to 16-22 knots during the race. In our race theres now a Bavaria (same size) and the skipper is a good friend of mine and a former top-10 class boat skipper. Just after the start the Hanses and the Bavaria tacks fairly equal as the wind shortly dropped to 10 knots and the Hanses tacking with selftacker jibs and the Bavaria with a 120 % genua. At the 1. and 2. mark the Bavaria had an advantage of 2-3 minutes in front But as the windspeed raises the Hanse just accelerated on the down wind leg and passes the Bavaria. On the last upwind leg the wind was 18-22 knots and the choppy swells were about 5-6 feet. It was under those conditions I obeserved that not only did the Hanses continue tacking upwind with full mains and jibs, the Hanses were doing great boatspeed and the Bavaria was left behind. The last leg was 1,2 Nm and the Bavaria reached the finish line 8 minutes after the Hanses. After the race I talked to my Bavaria friend and he said that he envy the Hanses for there "heavy weather" performance vs the Bavaria and that he did have a hard time job controlling the Bavaria in those choppy swells even after he had taken one reef in the main. He is now looking forward to meet the Hanses again under more Bavaria friendly wind and swell conditions (7-12 knots) but again....the Hanses will then meet him with genoas on the furlers instead of selftacking jibs and show him our well polished rudders...... /Steen Edited by Abstinenz - 12 June 2009 at 10:05
	Hanse 342#436

bjoris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 11 August 2007 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 281	Post Options Post Reply Quote bjoris Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 June 2009 at 00:44
	Interesting, what Bavaria modell was this? I have been racing my 350 against Bav 38 AC and I have a frind with a Bav 36 AC with lead keel. Both of them is hard to beat with the selftacker. The 38 AC is impossible in lightairs, but I have not done so many races against the 38. The 36 is much easier to beat but, not when you come to corretced time after the LYS-regulations But I have now got my new 108% from GranSail, this makes a huge difference both in speed and tacking angle. I have not done any races with it yet so I am very exited, next regatta is just 3 days away... I have also had problems keeping ut with a Beneteau 343. I find that quite hard to accept, but that boats seems much ligheter than the 350 so in light airs there was no big difference in speed, so they beat us on corrected time... I find the LYS-tall 1,22 with gennaker and genoa 3 much to high. I have a spinnakerpool that I us on the gennaker to make it a "spinnaker" and therefor I have 1,23... To high, no doubt... Compared to the 342, the 350 has 0,02 extra... Never been racing agasint a 342-341... But we have been doing much racing against a 371 with 109% headsail, and have been doing very equal speed with our selftacker, but it might not bee the boat. The 371 with 109% should have been much faster than us...
	H350#118 www.bjoris.blogspot.com

Abstinenz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List myHanse Moderator - Denmark Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 563	Post Options Post Reply Quote Abstinenz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 June 2009 at 21:37
	Bjoris, It's a Bavaria 31 AC. This week we had flat water and windspeeds of 14-18 knots (20 knots in gusts). We choose to race with our 130% "gold genua" (kevlar) on our 342. In the gusts upwind we were a little over canvased with full main and genua but finished 12 minutes ahead of the Bavaria on the 6,5 nm olympic triangle track. No problems at all vs. the Bavaria. Our upwind speed was 6,1 knots in the gusts and 6,5 in 15 knots of wind, so we should have taken one reef to target an optimum average of 6,4 knots upwind. /Steen Edited by Abstinenz - 17 June 2009 at 21:52
	Hanse 342#436

bjoris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 11 August 2007 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 281	Post Options Post Reply Quote bjoris Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 June 2009 at 23:28
	Finaly I got to testsail my new 108% HPC from Gran Seil. Wow... We finished second of seven boats, normaly we would be 4-6... There where huge differnces in tacking angel and speed. Most impressive, we could stay until 20 knots of wind before we had to take a reef, with the selftacker you need to reef at 15-18 knots... There is so much more power when going true waves with this sail. Sadly there where no Bavarias this time... We had a boatspeed of 6,5 to 7,0 konts going upwind in 21-22 knot of steady wind, we then took 1 reef. There where 1/2 metres waves coming right at us so we did not push to hard on the tacking angel, we passed a Melges on the way home, upwind...:) They had a bit better tacking angel but a lot less speed... But let`s admitt, this was fare from ideal conditons for a Melges 24. I just cant wait until next week Edited by bjoris - 17 June 2009 at 23:31
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Abstinenz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List myHanse Moderator - Denmark Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 563	Post Options Post Reply Quote Abstinenz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 June 2009 at 08:22
	Hi Bjoris. It's great to have a better headsail. The Hanse standard selftacker from North is just a 85% jib. We also have a brand new 98 % size kevlar/carbon selvtacker (25m2) with tafetta on both sides from Quantum and it gives a huge difference and less heeling. We use it for cruising purpose and for racing in the upper wind scale. /Steen
	Hanse 342#436



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