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    Posted: 03 July 2019 at 02:31
Good day all 

Looking for tips/advice from anyone that has successfully heaved-to (hove-to?) in their Hanse 400.

Thanks!



Edited by S/V Rocinante - 03 July 2019 at 02:33
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Guess not... Ok, I’ll report back once I figure it out.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark_J1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2019 at 22:51
Doesn’t really work on my 2005 version. The boat will sail on the sail bag and spray hood quite successfully despite a variety of attempts to slow her!  Let us know how you get on though. Personally I bought a Jordan series drogue to deploy should I need to hold station or at least control the outright pace. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote astarte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2019 at 15:07
Mark_J1, interesting. Don Jordan drouge is judged to be the best tactic, but the attachment to the boat is a challenge since it will be heavy loads. Chain plates are adviced as I understand. How will you attach the bridle?
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I have heaved to with extra sheets on the selftacker and double reef.

Use the extra (classic sheeting) sheets when sailing longer  passages at more than 60 degrees off the wind, with that set up the selftacker is more  efficiënt then with the one selftacking sheet (when it works like a brake) 

On my 2007 400e, the Genoa rail and foot blocks were standard.

The heaving to may not have been as effective as with classic boats, but worked sufficiently, steadied the boat, temporary peace and quite.
My wife liked it.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2019 at 11:45
As far as I am aware none of the Hanse designs will heave to properly. They can be hove too in light winds with perhaps a slight tweak of the helm now & then. However, forum discussions have shown that effective heaving too in heavy weather, where one can go below & shut the hatch in safety is not a possibility.
I do recall a thread where Panos, who owned a 60 ft Hanse described some serious gybes when trying it.
He is an experienced sailor & if he could not do it I doubt others could.
I have tried a number of configurations on my 311 without success.
Unlike my last long keeled boats. The sails will flog badly as well.
The trouble with drouges is that they are not a short term solution. As a single hander I used to put my last boat into hove too & I could sort out a problem, or even have 15 mins rest. Then get under way again. With my Hanse this is not possible & it would not be practical to stream a drouge.
Drouge streaming is not to be recommended in busy areas.
I have been hove too in the Southern North Sea for 4.5 hours in F9 many years ago. If a ship had come & I had a drouge out I would have been in trouble it I had to move. (Actually I was asleep for 3.5 hours anyway, so I would definitely have been in troubleCry)
As I was, I could have easily just let the sheet off & been under way.
I do not like the idea of a drouge where the boat can slip backwards onto the large unsupported rudder, or where a large wave can catch it from aft. The rudder on the Hanse design must be a blue water weakness.I lost mine on a light grounding near Inverness on a shallow sloping sand bank


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I’ve tried to hove to in 35 knots by setting the main at 120 degree with a preventer backing the main and flying the jib normal the boat moved sideways at about 1 1/2 to 2 knots and very stable it just happened “by accident” in calm weather with the preventer attached when a strong wind in front of a cloud hit me and the boat turned up into the wind and settled down with the method just described settling down for about 15 minutes until it calmed down again continuing our journey one experience richer  
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Astarte - re JSD chainplates question. In a perfect world I will have chainplates when the ‘to do’ list gets that far. If the JSD is needed in anger before then it will be rigged to a bridle going on a full loop of the boats strong points. I don’t suggest we open the debate of the weight transfer, side loads etc etc. It’s covered in many forums. The chainplates from Oceanbrake will be my likely purchase http://www.oceanbrake.com/stainless-steel-attachment-plates/.  Not the topic of this thread, but another reason I was interested in the JSD was for a backup steering solution.  In that mode the winches need to pull on the bridle lines anyway (even if the loads are distributed elsewhere). So they need to be part of the setup. 

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Thanks folks!

Originally posted by Rock Rock wrote:

I have heaved to with extra sheets on the selftacker and double reef.

Use the extra (classic sheeting) sheets when sailing longer  passages at more than 60 degrees off the wind, with that set up the selftacker is more  efficiënt then with the one selftacking sheet (when it works like a brake) 

On my 2007 400e, the Genoa rail and foot blocks were standard.

The heaving to may not have been as effective as with classic boats, but worked sufficiently, steadied the boat, temporary peace and quite.
My wife liked it.

Best regards,
Peter.

Thanks Peter; that was where my thinking was taking me as well... I’ll be playing with it and trying different “settings” over the next few months and will post here how it goes; good or bad! Wink
 


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I was able to heave-to on our 445 quite nicely in F6, to try it out. The boat stayed steadily at 60 deg to the waves, moving downwind only - almost no movement forward - and most importantly, with very visible protective sleek right upwind created by the sideways movement of the boat. Left and right from me were waves passing the boat but not a single one reached the boat from upwind. Just like in textbook. Now here's "but" coming - all this with the boat's STERN looking upwind. After hours of experimenting I found that with bow facing the waves, under fully furled jib and about 50% of the main the boat heaves-to, very steady, but moving forward at 1 - 1,5 kts doesn't allow for protective sleek. After just throwing hands in the air I tried the other way around - with the stern facing waves - and it all worked like a charm! Protective sleek does look like magic indeed - no waves reach the boat and she just drifts peacefully. I was single-handed and to proof the point I cooked myself a nice dinner before returning to marina.
Not sure I would dare staying in F9 with stern facing the waves (but why not - there are no waves in the sleek) but in more benign conditions it surely works.

Edited by Konstantin - 15 July 2019 at 06:41
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