How to drop the early rudder stock?

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   I need to take a better look at the rudder stock on our early single wheel 400e. I’ve got it dropped almost out of the quadrant but can’t move it further. Anyone done this & can advise on the steps?  Do I have to remove the top bearing (hoping not!)?
I’m at the ‘do I hit it harder or is there something retaining it in place that I’ve missed’ stage. The Jefa site is very helpful but the first few hulls seem to have a different retaining setup (ours is hull 31) and don’t have the retaining ring and grub screws arrangement of later hulls. 
Photo of the setup with the partly withdrawn stock below. The drawing on the Jefa site is here: https://jefa.com/ftp/old_boat_spare_parts/Hanse/Hanse_400/Top_bearing_with_lever.pdf

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Mark_J1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 12 March 2013 Location: Dover&Medway UK Status: Offline Points: 489	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark_J1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: How to drop the early rudder stock? Posted: 11 April 2023 at 16:17
	I need to take a better look at the rudder stock on our early single wheel 400e. I’ve got it dropped almost out of the quadrant but can’t move it further. Anyone done this & can advise on the steps? Do I have to remove the top bearing (hoping not!)? I’m at the ‘do I hit it harder or is there something retaining it in place that I’ve missed’ stage. The Jefa site is very helpful but the first few hulls seem to have a different retaining setup (ours is hull 31) and don’t have the retaining ring and grub screws arrangement of later hulls. Photo of the setup with the partly withdrawn stock below. The drawing on the Jefa site is here: https://jefa.com/ftp/old_boat_spare_parts/Hanse/Hanse_400/Top_bearing_with_lever.pdf
	Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31

Mark_J1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 12 March 2013 Location: Dover&Medway UK Status: Offline Points: 489	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark_J1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 April 2023 at 17:45
	Answering my own question should anyone else need to do this. The rudder stock really is held in by just the one large bolt above the quadrant on these early hulls/top bearing designs. The quadrant is effectively part of the top bearing. The stock can eventually be persuaded to drop out however (as shown on the Jefa rudder maintenance site) it takes a 1-2m pole below the hull & above the rudder to give enough leverage! Mark Edited by Mark_J1 - 11 April 2023 at 19:17
	Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31

landlocked Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 12 April 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 457	Post Options Post Reply Quote landlocked Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2023 at 02:38
	Hi Mark: I did the same on my hull #42. There was some galling on the bolt at the top so it took a lot of tapping and penetrating oil but then the rudder came down with a little persuasion. I took it off so I could instal the Jefa anodized sleeve and larger bearing on the rudder post. The sleeve has held up well for 6 years now with no pitting. Owen
	"Kerkyra" 400e #042

Mark_J1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commadore Joined: 12 March 2013 Location: Dover&Medway UK Status: Offline Points: 489	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark_J1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2023 at 07:59
	Thanks Owen. Yes my plan is to install the sleeve for peace of mind. The bottom bearing could do with being swapped anyway. Mark
	Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31



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