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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote superliga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2013 at 00:05
@ High Time; So your point is that a pro is that others use IMF or do you know more about their systems and their basis for making the choice of IMF?

@ charles; I for one have a furling jib and more than once it has failed in being able to furl in when you need it. It does not make me want to get an other furler in the mast.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2013 at 12:25
But neither are you saying you would go back to a hank on jib. Therefore at some stage in the past, you accepted this development and decided that on balance, a furling jib is preferable. You then continue gaining knowledge on how to maintain and use it as reliably as possible. I think IMF is at this point and I feel sure that it will dominate the market in the future.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote superliga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2013 at 13:55
Charles, I Agree about the analogy to the furling headsails. The difference is that if the IMF fails your only option will be to cut the main away and hope it will actually clear your rig and not staying attached in the top and drag you down for a while.
If the head furler jams there are still options. In the case of a complete jam you could cut your Jib sheet and just let the jib fly of the headstay (and back in against the wind to a bridge) or even sail in circles to wrap the sail around the forestay or / and have a crew member helping, something that’s not on option for a jammed mainsail. You could even risk that your cut of main would hang in your rig and enhance your problems.

I would also like to have the comfort of IMF, but the cons are just too many for me anyway. 
If IMF would somehow develop and minimize the cons in the future I would reconsider - at least from the safety point of view. From performance I suspect I would never end up with IMF.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2013 at 15:59
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You seem to suggest, or assume, that because one has a furling headsail foil one often sails with the sail part furled.
In my case ( may be the same for others perhaps you should ask) i have only sailed with a part furled headsail twice in 10 years
In fact when i ordered my genoa i specifically stated that it should Not be designed to be sailed part furled but should be cut for full on use only
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2013 at 18:37
No Sam, I did not intend to make those assumptions. Although, certainly, furling headsails were marketed as being adjustable according to the weather and useful in order to balance the sails.

Klaus, no respect required because we are simply trying to draw out all the arguments as we see them at the moment and I welcome an open discussion. The feedback from users will enable manufacturers to produce IMF systems with increasingly better reliability but, I too value old tried and tested ways.

As someone said earlier, the information we have gained on this subject from this Forum has been immense.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John K Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2013 at 02:29
Hi all

When the inevitable happens no matter what mainsail system you are using and you are forced to go aloft, the following just reprinted article should be of interest.

http://www.mysailing.com.au/news/going-aloft-how-to-avoid-it-and-how-to-do-it-safely-offshore

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote High Time Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2013 at 11:42
Originally posted by superliga superliga wrote:

@ High Time; So your point is that a pro is that others use IMF or do you know more about their systems and their basis for making the choice of IMF?


My point was that IMF is becoming more popular with cruising sailors.

As I said earlier the main pro for me is the ease of stowage. Gone is the struggle to close the lazy bag on a boom that is just too high to reach!

I agree there are a number of significant cons against IMF but, for me, the pros have it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fernando Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2013 at 06:53
commodity vs security??? mmmm...not for sure in my opinion...why not a roller boom? or a park avenue with lazy jacks? I don't thin an IMF is a safety option...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fendant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2013 at 07:52
Folks, just keep the ball low. IMF is not Scientology!  The French say "Chacun à son goût".
Everyone of us has his own sailing area, his own perferences, his more or less numerous crew and can make his own decision how to equip his boat.
 
They days where IMF were depicted as "bareboat charter curtains" are gone. I recall the same discussion many many years ago, when jib furlers became available ( and the first ones weren't the most effective and most reliable ones :)
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peter-Blake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2013 at 08:35
wonderful: "IMF ist not Scientology! "LOLClap

Are your sure, absolutley sure?


Check this:


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