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Ratbasher ![]() Commadore ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 May 2017 Location: Cyprus Status: Online Points: 472 |
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I was asked for ‘lessons identified’ on my boat’s ongoing refit
as issues were discovered which affect safety.
‘Wight Leopard’ is the non-epoxy H400, 2-cabin, single wheel steering
version from 2008 with engine hrs ~1350.
Sailed extensively in European & Atlantic waters for about 6 months/year,
all fittings and systems have suffered a lot of cyclic loading. The refit was part of a 3-year program to update kit and give
confidence in the boat to handle extended offshore and ocean sailing. I wrote a detailed schedule of work with riggers,
mechanical and electrical engineers, sailmaker, shipwrights and metalsmiths all
having sight to allow coordination/deconfliction, with one acting as a principal
point of contact. Living 2000 miles
from where the boat is kept, trust in the craftsmen was essential; I would not
have attempted this otherwise. All were
also asked to examine the boat in detail according to their experience. All electronics, standing and running rigging, sails were already
replaced. A Balmar 100A alternator had been
fitted, with 2x 115W panels being added to the existing 140W solar on a new
cockpit arch. The charging capacity and
regime meets my DC power needs with AC provided via inverter and ‘Ecoflow’
Lithium brick; it’s surprising how much power iPads, laptops, TV etc can draw. The arch, with steel rails carried forward to
the sprayhood (dodger), was also to give added security in the cockpit and as
the base for aerials and a doppler radar. Being very
aware of the effects of weight at the ends of the boat, the extra 35-40kg was,
as is ever the case, a reluctant compromise. Other homes were found for the outboard and
raft to compensate. Some serious issues were identified; confirmed by two independent
Surveyors: Keel. Intending to have
the hull epoxy-coated, the hull was soda-blasted back to gelcoat. However, it was seen that water was trickling
out of the boat just aft of the keel; this continued for some weeks in
the cradle. Observing no obvious damage anywhere
to the keel or keel/hull joint and with all keel-bolts checked correct, two
surveyors skilled and experienced in keel faults were called. The boat was raised in slings and the keel manipulated
with an unacceptable degree of movement found. I stress that no faults were visible to the eye. Fortunately, in the words of one Surveyor, the Yard handling
‘Leopard’ is the best in the UK for keel repairs. Even so, the keel was dropped only with great
difficulty as, in contrast to the rudder (see below), the Shipwright stated that
“Hanse builds ‘em very ####ing strong, like”.
All bolts were found to be in good condition. However, aft of the keel the hull below the
gelcoat was delaminating very badly. I understand that the layers between outer
and inner skins were increasingly flexing with the motion at sea and were acting
as a sponge, actively soaking up water. Only
when the boat was raised with the keel pressing up was this water then squeezed
out. At no time had I ever noted much
water in the bilges so it was all held between the layers within the GRP. Neither the Surveyors nor the Yard staff could tell for
certain if previous repairs had been made to the area. However, they all agreed that the damage was
consistent with grounding. To my immense
relief, the £14000 repair estimate was covered by insurance. At the time of writing ‘Leopard’ remains with
her keel removed as several layers of GRP both to the hull and the internal
matrix are made up. I’m assured that the
whole area will be much stronger than the original following repair, to be
certified by a specialist surveyor. I don’t know if the boat had grounded under its previous
ownership, but the only time I did it was at under 2kts on sand while
manouvering for a buoy (discovering that my high-tone deafness is at exactly
the same frequency as the depth alarm …)
While there’s no way I would have thought that such grounding could
cause that amount of damage I’m told that it is indeed possible. Even a small crack can cause water ingress
which, over time, with the flexing of the boat at sea followed by pressure when
ashore in a cradle, can lead to serious delamination if not spotted. With years of anti-fouling paint, the damage
was completely invisible to the naked eye – even that of a good Shipwright. Very strongly recommend that any grounding is
reported to your insurance company immediately.
I understand that following a number of incidents, insurers take this
seriously and will pay for the boat to be lifted and inspected. Having checked the issue in detail, I believe
that not all Surveyors and Yards have the necessary experience to assess let
alone repair keels properly. Reputation
is critical in such areas; it’s essential to check that the Surveyor and Yard
are suitably qualified and experienced rather than just have Sid or Bubba come
take a look. Happy to provide details if
required. Rudder. This had several concave ‘dents’ about the
size and depth of a dinner-plate that were degrading performance and indicative
of structural breakdown. Moisture
readings were very high and, as is common, there was significant pitting in the
rudder stock. The internal metals had corroded
badly (the Shipwrights technical explanation was “They use crap materials,
don’t they?”) and the rudder was delaminating.
I understand this isn’t confined to Hanses; a rudder from the same maker
on a Hallberg-Rassy had the same problem last year. Like that HR and another owner I’m aware of, I chose to have
a replacement made locally to a stronger design. Although this cost £6000 to the original
maker’s quote of £4500, I had lost trust in that manufacturer. Also, there were no shipping charges and all
bearings, cables etc in the steering system were replaced. It also ensured that all works would be done
within the required timescale with sea-trials part of the deal. It’s hard to say if the old rudder would have
failed at sea but I wasn’t prepared to bet the safety of my wife on that (and I
didn’t like the hit to performance either…)
Recommend that owners check
their rudders for such indentations. If
found, consult with a Surveyor or Yard properly experienced in such matters. I’d also advise that rudders are dropped to a
regular schedule with a dye-penetrant test of the entire visible stock done. While pitting on the stock has been discussed
at length in this forum there is an area of particular weakness where the shaft
narrows which may need a dye to reveal.
Bearings should also be checked and replaced. Mast. The riggers
noted several deformities on the mast tubing around the Spreaders. This was wear & tear caused by cyclic
loading at sea and basically, the areas were just worn out. It required the fitting of ‘mast doublers’ to
ensure the structural integrity of the mast but the cost was a painful £3500. However, that was nothing compared to a sudden
failure of the mast at sea. Recommend
that owners lower masts at least every 3-4 years and have a thorough check by a
professional rigger. Mechanicals. I’d
planned for the SD50 clutch kit from saildrives@yahoo.com
to be fitted, the SD gaiter to be replaced and the injectors to be removed for
specialist servicing. While the old
gaiter was in perfect condition, the engine mounts were misaligned, the prop
shaft badly scored and the oil contaminated.
It was hard to see the issue with the mounts from casual observation as
they looked and felt in good order; it only became obvious when the engine was
removed. The contaminated oil was a
surprise as I change it regularly but the scoring on the shaft was serious; the
mechanic stated he’d never seen one in such poor condition. The conjecture was that ‘Leopard’s’
berth was fine mud and, in need of dredging, the keel and saildrive were
immersed in it at low water. While there’s been much argument about the need to replace the SD gaiter at the recommended interval, there’s no doubt that the process permitted a much deeper inspection of the power train. Recommend that owners at least include removing and inspecting prop shaft as part of routine maintenance and, unless they are very confident in their own abilities, have a thorough professional inspection of the power train at regular intervals. Philosophical musing, as I wait impatiently to begin cruising this year: There were plenty of other issues but these
are enough to make my point. With 49 years of coastal and ocean experience, I
thought my checks were good enough and that I knew everything that I should
have been looking for – yet much was missed.
The big lesson is, that no matter how skilled and experienced we are, it’s
worth calling in a real pro from time to time for double-checks on vital
systems. The next lesson is to ensure
that your pro actually is a pro in the specific area of concern. These lessons probably won’t concern those fortunate enough to be able to buy a boat new and who buys another whenever the first one gets too dirty, because you had a pro thoroughly check your boat in great detail on delivery - didn't you? For us ordinary mortals, preventative maintenance can literally be a life-saver. If you sink (no pun intended) all your cash into buying the boat and don’t retain enough to properly maintain it then you’ll quickly discover the meaning behind : Matthew, Chapter 13, verse 12…… (With apologies to the King James Bible) Iain |
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H400 (2008) 'Wight Leopard', Gosport UK
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Tranquillity ![]() Captain ![]() Joined: 01 December 2018 Location: Hamble, UK Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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Very interesting review, thanks for sharing.
Some very good advice. Once completed you will have a fantastic and solid yacht for many years to come!
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Ratbasher ![]() Commadore ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 May 2017 Location: Cyprus Status: Online Points: 472 |
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Thanks, Tranquillity. Its strange but seeing how hard it was to get a failing keel off the boat it actually increased my respect for the basic build quality - except for the rudder, that is...
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H400 (2008) 'Wight Leopard', Gosport UK
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Mark_J1 ![]() Commadore ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 March 2013 Location: Dover&Medway UK Status: Offline Points: 489 |
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Great write-up Iain. Photos much appreciated too. You have really been through it!
I had the reinforcement plates fitted to the spreaders 2 seasons back. Definitely worth a close check of the Sparcraft masts. That said, the fix has worked well so hoping you'll find the same when you splash White Leopard. SD50 sail drive is a learning experience. I've moved to using GL4 'bronze' friendly oil to save the cone clutch but expect to add the improved thrust washer solution at some point. Also just swapped the shaft seals for the second time. This time I've adjusted the spacers to move the lip seal pressure points and used alternative double lip seals. The Yanmar seals are vastly overpriced (ie 6 x the price) and just don't last. I have an SKF 'Gold' Speedy Sleeve fix planned for the shaft for the future if needed. I'm part way through adding the sleeve reinforcement to the rudder stock as recommended by Jefa and swapping the bottom bearing as a result (not the easy job they suggest as the bearing is very deeply set!). The rudder itself seems sound. However, I'd definitely echo the need to monitor the rudder and bearings. I wish you a speedy exit from the yard! Mark
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Ian Coverdale ![]() Captain ![]() Joined: 19 June 2019 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 180 |
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Thanks Iain,
An interesting read and appreciate your time to author this. Cheers.
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Ian & Andrea
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Ratbasher ![]() Commadore ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 May 2017 Location: Cyprus Status: Online Points: 472 |
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Many thanks Mark, Ian. Keel goes back on next week with re-launch scheduled 17/18 May (this May). Just waiting on a new prop shaft which has taken literally months to arrive.
That's very interesting about the seals; I'll be obsessing about the SD over the season so will pay close attention. Getting the improved clutch kit couldn't have been easier. Gideon Coetzee who developed the kit communicated rapidly and helpfully throughout the buying and fitting process with the kit arriving from Florida less than a week from ordering. Pleased to hear about your rudder, Mark. However, if anyone has any keel, rudder or other repair issues I can thoroughly recommend Solent Yacht Repairs and YachtCarePlus at Gosport, who consistently exceeded my already high expectations. Will handcuff the Shipwright and Mechanic to the boat for the sea-trials, however. Iain
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Mark_J1 ![]() Commadore ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 March 2013 Location: Dover&Medway UK Status: Offline Points: 489 |
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Iain - have you still got the old prop shaft? Even if badly scored it can be chromed to build up the surface (not welded) and re-machined to 'true' for diameter and run out. By all accounts that actually gives a better surface than original for the lip seals. Must be a shop in the Solent area that can do that for you? Even if you use the new one it would be worth having the spare or selling on given the crazy price. Enjoy the sea trial. No pressure on the rebuild team :)
Mark
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Ratbasher ![]() Commadore ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 May 2017 Location: Cyprus Status: Online Points: 472 |
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Thanks Mark; never thought of that. Pretty sure that the Yard 'Leopards' with could do that if the mechanic won't promise in blood that the new one will be ready in time. Never thought about re-sale value of the old shaft either.
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Dogscout ![]() Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 July 2017 Location: Wandering About Status: Offline Points: 136 |
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RE the output shaft on the SD 50. I had a problem with mine 2 summers ago. The local shop in Split Croatia did a R&R exchange with mine. The tech keeps a few spare shafts on hand and cleans up the grooves from oil seals then exchanges them. I got all new bearing and seals for a reasonable price.
Glad to see your pictures. I will likely be doing the same one day. |
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Rock ![]() Captain ![]() Joined: 19 September 2014 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 319 |
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Thanks for the extensive description of the details Iain !
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