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    Posted: 13 December 2020 at 21:28
I wonder how you manage to arrange and close the main sail bag after putting it down. Although I am tall, I confess it is a really difficult task. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Black Diamond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 December 2020 at 22:21
Precisely the reason I went with a roller furling boom.     Not the answer you wanted, I assume.

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German,

Yes it is a challenging task. After a period we developed a process which is -

Put the boom way out to one side and pull it down with the vang as far as possible. The end of the boom will be out board and at a reasonable height so you can reach the zipper to start the closing. Pull the sides of the sail bag out as you go and pull the zip forward a meter at a time until you are about half way along the boom. We have a rope about 10 meters long with a monkey's fist at one end. We tie the other end to the zip and throw the monkey's fist between the lazy jacks and past the mast. I then climb up on the mast steps (we had and extra two steps put on the mast so I am above the sail bag) and then I pull on the rope attached to the zip which generally comes easily and fully closes the sail bag. I leave the line attached to the zip and coil it up in the sail stack. Then we let the vang off and raise the boom and center it.  When we go to use the sail I climb up the mast steps , pull out the "throwing line" and throw it to the aft between the lazy jack. Whilst I hold the sail bag my wife pulls the line and the zip easily travels to the aft of the boom. Undo the line and you are ready to raise the sail. It sounds more challenging than it is. Using this method we don't need to put the bimini or dodger down.  Give it a try. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 December 2020 at 10:16
It seems to me that the zip arrangement on the covers are all made the wrong way round. I have had mine altered to start at the mast. i,  have a much smaller boat, but it must be difficult  trying to engage the zip at the boom end where the boom tends to wave about.
My wife was almost knocked overboard by the boom swinging when she went to engage the zip at the boom end. Fortunately she managed to keep hold of the boom as it swung her over the side & then back on to the boat.
If one started at the mast it would surely be easier to engage it whilst holding the mast & stuffing the sail into the cover first. Then the zip could be pulled aft which should become easier as there is less sail to retain.
When unfurling the sail it would be done moving forward towards the mast  where one has something to hold on to & the line used to pull the zip could be tucked into the sail cover out of the way.
Of course, larger yachts are much more stable, so the issues I have may be totally different on larger yachts.
On my boat when dropping sail I now engage the zip at the mast & move aft in one go so i do not have to make 2 trips on deck- ---the old way--One to drop the sail then one to engage the zip at boom end & move forward again to zip up. would be a waste of energy
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote German Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 December 2020 at 16:34
Thank you for sharing your methods. 
I will try in my boat and will let you know how it was 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tobo2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2020 at 10:46
Sometimes people forget that sailing ins not only fun and push button actions. It is work and closing the lazy bag is a common rite every evening. I wonder if people order a mast furling sail just to get around this job considering that this type of sail (still) has many disadvantages. IMHO furler boom systems are much better but still too expensive. (For the 508 this option costs you around 175'000 !)
We also handle it the way Wayne describes it. If we can't manage it we have a small ladder with two steps. Additionally we pull the reefing lines when lowering the mainsail. I think the sail is more compact and simplifies the zipper job. In case you have rough conditions the next morning your mainsail is already reefed.


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I had full battens, lazy jacks and a huge main for 25 years before getting my roller furling boom.  As I got older it became less of an "accomplishment" and more like unnecessary work.   On the sixth boat (14'-->33'--->40'--->45'--->49'--->575) I decided to splurge :-).   You don't sacrifice any performance from what I've seen with the boom option.  The Hanse option was expensive.   I did it post-delivery for about half the price.

I found that it was all about boom height.    Some boats (like my Island Packet 45) were easy.  Others not so much.    This is why I always liked to sail on the boat before buying it so you can see how the furling mast (usually jammed while rolling out) or stack pack (what Hanse does by default) are like.  

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Wow Rich, you came a long way with your sailing history! I wonder how you came from an Island Packet yacht to the Hanse - quite a change! Ours wasn't any better:  We started with a Fireball dinghy some 35 years ago, racing internationally with my wife before we felt like taking off the dry suit and buying a Hanse 470 eleven years ago to keep the racing feeling. No we ended up with 508 (push button sailing most of the time) as a credit to our age. But for the mainsail I said: "mast furling - only over my dead body"


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The 14' was an O'Day Javelin.   My wife brought it to the marriage.   My previous experience was on Sunfish only.      The Island Packet 45 and the Hylas 49 were great boats.   We built both of them and visited the factory when they were being built.    Big, rough weather designs such that I was never worried about the boat.  Maybe my skills, but not the boat....    

The Hanse is a much more modern design, with a lot more room, and much better sailing performance.  Both the IP45 and the Hylas were cutter rigged and needed a lot of sail to move even in a stiff breeze.  Both were set up for the ICW with shorter masts and that certainly isn't possible with the 575.     The IP45 and the Hanse are probably equal build quality, but the Hylas was like a piece of jewelry.  Queen Long in Taiwan makes outstanding boats and their service is the standard as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not doing offshore anymore, so this is just for coastal cruising and the comfort of my wife when we do extended stays on the boat.



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After four years I replaced my sail drop with a bag about 1 taller on each side, with the same aft-forward zipper configuration. Much easier job. In my opinion, that factory supplied sail drop on the 505 is just cut too tight. Your boat may have the same issue. 

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