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great story grahame
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peter-Blake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2009 at 14:28
Found this in the www
It is going about the shape of the end of a rudder or keel.
 
"relative vibration amplitude"
 
So - let us start to shape our rudders....
 
 


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Hi,
The practical problem with shape 3,4 and 5 is that since the rudder consists of two halves, the pointed spot is exactly at the join ,making it VERYYYY  sensitive. Thats why shapes 6,7 and 8 are used.
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Yes, my previous boat had shape 6 and worked perfect .
 
But it is interesting how diffrent the vibration amplitude is


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2009 at 19:06
Originally posted by gshannon gshannon wrote:

Turbulence from the prop is one possible cause of vibration in the rudder, however Hanse rudders are usually quite far from the prop which reduces the effect.

Does it happen under sail?
 
Hello Grahame,
 
Normally I don't feel it when sailing. I do feel it a little bit when sailing fast downwind and waves coming from behind.
 
Cheers,
 
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Indications are that the rudder trailing edge shape is at least partly to blame. See previous posts.

An unbalanced propeller can also contribute to this, but I would expect it to be felt through the whole boat as well as the rudder.
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Hello,

The steering system now makes some sqeeuking noise. I found out that it is the rudder stock just very slight touching the white plastic (outer bearing). You can see this when you open up the emercengy steering opening.

I have had someone take a look at and there is no structural damage.

Does anyone know if the 411 has selfaligning bearings. So this might go away when I go back sailing. I will go out sailing on monday again.

Thanks,

Michiel

 

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hi,
may be you can find something usefull on www.jefa.com.
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Hi all,

An update from my side. This winter all the bearings were replaced. Not really replaced but I just found out that the yachting service put in oversized bearing rollers as suggested by Jefa. Unfortunetely the problem is not away and has to be redone.

It could be that there is some wear and tear at the rudder stick. I will keep you posted

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Next update: The jacht service has been in contact with Jefa and the solution is going to put an galvenised aluminium sleave around the rudder stock and put a completely new bearing specifically for that size.

Hopefully the problem will be solved in 3 weeks time

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